Buy OWB and you support the major labels (?)

Jan · #1 10-29-2007, 04:28 PM

American OWB --> Ato Records --> IFPI/RIAA

(http://www.riaaradar.com/)

European OWB --> PIAS --> IFPI

(http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_...ber_sites.html)

Japanese OWB --> Traffic Inc. --> maybe fine?

I spend nearly all of my money on CDs (and that is not much since I'm a student), and I don't like to be criminalized by those lobbyists because I download music, that I'll even buy if I like it.

I've bought both the Japanese and the German/European versions of OWB to support my favourite band. Now I really wonder how much of every CD UW get. Probably not much, less than from a sold copy of a RiverRun. I'm glad that I can spend my money on merchandise, concert tickets, etc.

While supporting the IFPI I've consequently also supported overly restrictive copyright, which has to do with "Footwear Repairs..." not on DVD and is probably also responsible for the delay of the Sunshine soundtrack.

good links on the topic:
http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/1...-birth-of.html
http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?...nnel=934185178

Your opinion? Am I paranoid?

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j · #2 10-29-2007, 05:30 PM

Actually, I quite agree. I got a copy of OWB anyway, but besides that I've only bought one CD that supports a major in the last three years. I've even let them know why I'm boycotting them. After reading all these articles from industry insiders telling what it's really like, I just can't support them anymore, especially given the way they criminalize us and come up with penalties for music downloading that exceeds that of armed robbery (!)

dubman · #3 10-29-2007, 07:38 PM

yeah, i agree.
but oh well/drop in the bucket/etc etc.

idoru · #4 10-29-2007, 07:43 PM

Only CD I've purchased from an RIAA-connected label in years. Had to do it. Besides, $15 for a CD, DVD and MP3s of the whole album is a steal compared to 99% of what most music costs nowadays.
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King of Snake · #5 10-30-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jan

American OWB --> Ato Records --> IFPI/RIAA

(http://www.riaaradar.com/)

European OWB --> PIAS --> IFPI

(http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_...ber_sites.html)

Japanese OWB --> Traffic Inc. --> maybe fine?

Well, the big problem with the big labels is in the fact that they own the music of the bands that they represent. And this is the cause for the court cases and all the anti-downloading shit. They are trying to protect their property.
But AFAIK Underworld are only using these labels for distribution in various parts of the world. The actual rights to the music are still owned by Underworld and their own label so it's not quite the same as supporting the RIAA and the big labels directly when you buy OWB. I'm also sure this also means that it's not like those labels take huge cuts out of the profits of selling OWB, leaving UW with nothing, because they do not actually own the music, it's just a distribution deal.

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The RIAA Radar does not account for the distributor of a label. There is not what we consider a solid source of distributor data, and distribution is not something that is necessarily official, publicly reported, or consistent, thus it is not something that can be (easily) tracked. The RIAA Radar results are only based on the imprint of the album. Yes, some independent labels use major label distributors.

jose m · #6 10-30-2007, 12:59 AM

giving it to the man................radical

BeautifulBurnout · #7 10-30-2007, 01:40 AM

Oh for goodness' sake. "Yeah, let's encourage everyone to download for free instead of buying CDs, cos that will really hurt the major record labels".

Then let's watch our favourite bands shrivel and die through lack of revenue. And watch the major record labels continue to promote and sign up mass-market dross bands to recover as much money as they can, rather than taking any risks at all on innovative new sounds. (It is happening already.)

Frankly, I think it is crass and stupid to even have a thread like this on Underworld's own forum. Nice message you are giving out from the "fans". And nice way of justifying to yourself why you need to have music for free, by blaming the record label - and sod the effect on the band.

Pah. Enough said.

BeautifulBurnout · #8 10-30-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

Actually, I quite agree. I got a copy of OWB anyway, but besides that I've only bought one CD that supports a major in the last three years. I've even let them know why I'm boycotting them. After reading all these articles from industry insiders telling what it's really like, I just can't support them anymore, especially given the way they criminalize us and come up with penalties for music downloading that exceeds that of armed robbery (!)

And when was the last time that someone got off with a fine for being convicted of armed robbery? Or when was the last time someone was sentenced to 10 years incarceration for downloading music? Get real.

Jan · #9 10-30-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Oh for goodness' sake. "Yeah, let's encourage everyone to download for free instead of buying CDs, cos that will really hurt the major record labels". Then let's watch our favourite bands shrivel and die through lack of revenue.

No, that is not the point. The point is, how can we support our favourite bands without supporting this, this, this, this or this. Nobody wants that our favourite bands 'die through lack of revenue'!

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And watch the major record labels continue to promote and sign up mass-market dross bands to recover as much money as they can, rather than taking any risks at all on innovative new sounds. (It is happening already.)

Supporting products that you don't like instead of boycotting them seems counterintuitive, doesn't it? You say I should buy this music so that there is a chance they will release "innovative new sounds"?

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Nice message you are giving out from the "fans".

I think it is indeed a nice message if a fan cares if his money goes to the artist or not. I'd rather buy tshirts for 20 pound instead because I'm sure pretty much of it goes to UW.

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And nice way of justifying to yourself why you need to have music for free, by blaming the record label - and sod the effect on the band.

You are generalizing. Most of my favourite bands/musicians are on indie labels. No one said something about boycotting all record labels. For me there is and never will be a substitute for a physical release such as a CD.

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Originally Posted by King of Snake

But AFAIK Underworld are only using these labels for distribution in various parts of the world. The actual rights to the music are still owned by Underworld and their own label so it's not quite the same as supporting the RIAA and the big labels directly when you buy OWB.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Jan · #10 10-30-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And when was the last time that someone got off with a fine for being convicted of armed robbery? Or when was the last time someone was sentenced to 10 years incarceration for downloading music? Get real.

I agree that this is not a very accurate example. But except for incarceration this comes pretty close.