Buy OWB and you support the major labels (?)

[jose m]

giving it to the man................radical

[BeautifulBurnout]

Oh for goodness' sake. "Yeah, let's encourage everyone to download for free instead of buying CDs, cos that will really hurt the major record labels".

Then let's watch our favourite bands shrivel and die through lack of revenue. And watch the major record labels continue to promote and sign up mass-market dross bands to recover as much money as they can, rather than taking any risks at all on innovative new sounds. (It is happening already.)

Frankly, I think it is crass and stupid to even have a thread like this on Underworld's own forum. Nice message you are giving out from the "fans". And nice way of justifying to yourself why you need to have music for free, by blaming the record label - and sod the effect on the band.

Pah. Enough said.

[Jan]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Oh for goodness' sake. "Yeah, let's encourage everyone to download for free instead of buying CDs, cos that will really hurt the major record labels". Then let's watch our favourite bands shrivel and die through lack of revenue.

No, that is not the point. The point is, how can we support our favourite bands without supporting this, this, this, this or this. Nobody wants that our favourite bands 'die through lack of revenue'!

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And watch the major record labels continue to promote and sign up mass-market dross bands to recover as much money as they can, rather than taking any risks at all on innovative new sounds. (It is happening already.)

Supporting products that you don't like instead of boycotting them seems counterintuitive, doesn't it? You say I should buy this music so that there is a chance they will release "innovative new sounds"?

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Nice message you are giving out from the "fans".

I think it is indeed a nice message if a fan cares if his money goes to the artist or not. I'd rather buy tshirts for 20 pound instead because I'm sure pretty much of it goes to UW.

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And nice way of justifying to yourself why you need to have music for free, by blaming the record label - and sod the effect on the band.

You are generalizing. Most of my favourite bands/musicians are on indie labels. No one said something about boycotting all record labels. For me there is and never will be a substitute for a physical release such as a CD.

Originally Posted by King of Snake

But AFAIK Underworld are only using these labels for distribution in various parts of the world. The actual rights to the music are still owned by Underworld and their own label so it's not quite the same as supporting the RIAA and the big labels directly when you buy OWB.

Thanks for clearing that up!

[patrick]

I agree... These threads are a good thing onn these types of forums (band forums). Underworld will probably listen and at least think about it. In this case we are fairly sure they are not signed to a RIAA label and using a connected label for distribution.

Anyways, I believe that buying music from RIAA labels is a bad thing. It continues the conglomorate, but more importantly when we don't buy music on them, and the artists know it, they will be more likely to sign up or make their own record label, which is great.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by Jan

Japanese OWB --> Traffic Inc. --> maybe fine?

I think maybe Traffic isnt a member of the RIAJ, no. At least according to a page at the RIAJ website.

[sloff]

First let me say by agreeing with the point made I'm not advocating stealing music.
However I do think that RIAA is out of their collective minds. Try and address a problem fairly and people will see that and come around. They need to stop crying like a kid who had his jumbo lollipop taken away and adapt.
For those of you finger pointing about the moral high ground here I'm willing to bet some of us have out of print Underworld material (ie singles/remixes) that were shared by someone, copyright applies to that.
I'm also willing to bet that if the labels would allow some of that to be released digitally at a fair price that we as fan's would buy it especially if it were released in full quality without DRM.

[mmm skyscraper]

Originally Posted by sloff

For those of you finger pointing about the moral high ground here I'm willing to bet some of us have out of print Underworld material (ie singles/remixes) that were shared by someone, copyright applies to that.

I bought Spikee/Dogman Go Woof on cd off ebay. How much of the money that I sent to the seller went to the label or to Underworld? None. So what's the difference between buying it and downloading it?

In this case ATO/PIAS does not own the copyright of the music, so the band itself would have to sue you over that. And I doubt ATO/PIAS is making enough money off each cd to use it to sue people over other coopyright cases.

The stupid thing about these lawsuits is that the RIAA spends a lot on these cases to see very little in return. If you want a huge laugh you should go to their website and read why piracy is bad.

Labels would be better off investing in playback equipment than spending time on lawsuits.

[hippy dave]

has anyone posted this article on here yet? must-read for everyone

edit: thought i'd better check the first post again just in case, and yes it's right there... d'oh. sorry - read it tho!

[TheBang]

That article's by Rob Sheridan, the Nine Inch Nails webmater/graphic designer/photographer/videographer. NIN, of course, left their own major label this month also.