Burial

[BrotherLovesDub]

look for 2step/uk garage or tacky R&B.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by dubman

oh jesus BLD are we seriously pulling the "I DONT SEE YOU MAKING ALBUMS EVRYONE LOVES WHY DONT YOU CAN IT" routine

lol. next you'll tell me you're a Tool fan or something.

someone goes beyond the standard internet guidelines of just making a statement and gives a little demonstration to boot but none of it is valid until you say so. it's not even being *that* opinionated anymore you're just being an ass.

yes. i'm seriously pulling that. he said any fool can make it. he said it wasn't special. then provided a track that attempts to imitate Burial.

the only thing i can recommend is you put me on ignore. i'm an asshole, i'm old and i don't see either of those things changing.

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forum...t=ignore&u=337

i think that link is a direct link to Ignore me. Please click it.

[GoatSucker]

Burials last album was one of the best of 2006 for me, can't wait to hear the new one.
I first got into Burial after reading an interview about his production techniques - interesting reading.
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co...oy-burial.html

Don't know about the new album, but it seems like a lot of the loops in the first one are handcrafted in SoundForge...

[dubman]

that might be feeding the delusion that you're an intolerable ass who's just so unbearably perceptive in his assery that he *must* be ignored to preserve our brains.

just saying.. you're being a pretty standard internet butthole and pulling out an argument for burial which should only be the last resort of fans with nothing to say. just because you admit to being mean doesnt mean people shouldn't say you're being completely ridiculous.

[BrotherLovesDub]

that's fine dubman. LX's claim that 'any fool' can make it only attempts to demean the artistry and vision that goes into creating something like Burial's LP and singles. people say this shit all the time and i think it's valid to say, 'if it's so easy, then do it yourself'. not sure why that statement is more ridiculous than some n00b with Garageband or Abelton to say Burial (or some other respected producer) is a simpleton doing what any fool can do.

[dubman]

because it's asking them to have that same talent before they can diss on a record, which would be equivalent to saying you cant actually appreciate it if you dont have that talent either. it's attempts to null the criticism of the listener by placing ridiculous standards on them for the safety of asserting that this is the greatest thing ever. it's cowardly and cheap. there's people all over the world who are "good" at listening and talking about music but would never be in the right space mentally to create it.
and often the most bald-face and unrefined observations about music can prove to be the most accurate. as irritating as it is, to have a guy call BS once in awhile let's us have a reason worth saying on an MB about why we like what we do. i dont like Lx_Nen's shortcut that because it is what it is makes it no good, and i agree that he's oversimplifying it because Burial's music and textures are so fertile, abundant, and visually engaging in every way, but i could see where he's coming from with it as someone who simply doesnt feel it and is taking it purely on an impression. i certainly wouldnt debate him citing all of the outside noise the album has generated instead of speaking on personal levels about the music itself.
because *that's* the level where being a dick would be just dumb instead of irreverent

[BrotherLovesDub]

i disagree. LX said any fool could make it. that's what i'm criticizing. i wouldn't expect him to have the same talent if he just wanted to say it was simple music. however, he said, ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes. that's why i said what i did. did you read his statement? i think you're just mad at me and taking out some frustrations in this thread.

LX said ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes, including him. if that's true, i want to hear his stuff. i'm not saying he needs to be a good guitarist to criticize a guitar player. i'm not saying he needs to be able to sing to criticize a singer. i'm not sure where you're coming from in your statement but if LX believes any fool can make the music, then lets hear him do it.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by Lx_Nen

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

Originally Posted by Lx_Nen

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

Originally Posted by Lx_Nen

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

Originally Posted by Lx_Nen

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

Originally Posted by Lx_Nen

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

see the issue here? i'm not debating his right to critique Burial.

[Lx_Nen]

I'll stick my hand in the air and say 'mea culpa' for a lot of this flamewar. My post was intended to be taken far less seriously than it has been. I threw a simley and a joke about mmm Skyscraper in there, and used a silly name, but it seems people didn't get the joke.

I wanted to have a stab at getting the Burial sound, and I thought my results were interesting enough to share, that's all.

My point was that anyone could make the same sort of soundscapes as Burial, not that anyone could be as good as Burial. I'll say for the 3rd time that I do like the first Burial album, and I do 'get it'... but I'd be very interested to know if people who don't 'get it' rate my quick pastiche highly or not.

The blackdownsoundboy article inspired me to give the Burial sound a go, as the techniques described in it are undoubtedly very simple. I used Reason not Soundforge for my first go, so I've not got the offbeat timings, which may be why mine sounds (no pun intended) dead compared to the real thing.

The next stage for me is to make another one of these tracks, but with the handmade timings explained in the article and some suitable 2step/uk garage samples (not genres I'm very familiar with, so please bare with me while I find some), and see how much of the magic is Burial, and how much is Burial's samples. I'm still linterested in finding out the answer to the question I posed earlier - is Burial good because he's in a field of his own, or is he good despite being in a field of his own?