is there anyone else who is pro-life AND pro-gay rights, or is it just me? - Page 22

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j · #**211** 08-17-2009, 11:28 AM

Again, you're missing the point - is it really that hard to see how this may be argued as being NOT a civil rights issue? I keep waiting for all the ownage you're promising to happen but all I'm getting is self-congratulatory BS. I don't like Vegas weddings any more than you do. Maybe you're putting forward a good argument for stopping that, but it's not an argument for gay marriage. I guess I'll go cry now

jOHN rODRIGUEZ · #**212** 08-17-2009, 12:12 PM

O.K., but, make like a big production about it and run to your room shouting, "I hate all of you." and then, jump on your bed and bury your face in the pillows!

That would be, like, sooo Brady Bunch or something.

Deckard · #**213** 08-17-2009, 12:33 PM

349 - do you consider straight marriage a civil right?

Sean · #**214** 08-17-2009, 03:34 PM

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349 - do you consider straight marriage a civil right?

Based on his (her?) previous posts in this thread, my impression is that no, marriage is not a civil rights issue to 349.... And honestly, I'd say that the ball is in your court 349....to effectively explain how marriage isn't a civil right since it seems you're the only person here who's floated that idea in the first place. Clearly, it is hard for the majority of us to grasp how it could be viewed as anything but, so it could be helpful for you to clarify.

And 349..., the point isn't whether or not there should be Elvis weddings, it's that there are Elvis weddings, not to mention a laundry list of other issues out there that legitimately undercut the "sanctity" of marriage far, far more than same sex marriage ever could. And yet the people who are most vocally opposed to same sex marriage seem conspicuously silent about those other issues - presumably simply because they're issues between straight couples, so it's okay. They can stomach two drunk people who just met getting married by Elvis in a chapel attached to a casino, but a gay couple that's been together for years who are looking to legally and socially declare their lifelong commitment to each other is going to tear this institution apart! It's illogical, it's irrational, and it highlights exactly how this crusade against same sex marriage is primarily motivated by some measure of homophobia and/or bigotry.

When it gets right down to it, I just don't see what the big fear is about gay people. Okay, so they're sexually attracted to their own gender while the majority of us are sexually attracted to the opposite gender. So what? Do we ask straight couples to justify what they do in the bedroom, or strip them of their rights because they happen to enjoy a little booty lovin' from time to time? Of course not. Or at least not any more. So why does homosexual activity justify such draconian methods?

Or is it maybe because gay people are in the minority? Well, less than 10% of the U.S. population is left-handed, a similar percentage to the number of people who are gay in this country, so should we strip rights away from left-handed people? Are they damaging the sanctity of writing by using their left hands to do it? Or the sanctity of baseball by stepping up to the left side of the plate instead of the right? I mean, obviously they're genetically wired to be different than the rest of us, just like gay people, so why not stop those damn lefties from destroying all that's precious to us? The only difference I can see is that we haven't been socially conditioned to discriminate against left-handed folks like we have with homosexuals - although, I have heard from numerous lefties over a certain age that back in school, their teachers used to force them to write with their right hands. Anyway, this discrimination against gays truly disgusts me.

And at the heart of the issue, I still have yet to hear a single reasonably and logically sound argument against same sex marriage from anyone.

Deckard · #**215** 08-18-2009, 04:00 AM

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And yet the people who are most vocally opposed to same sex marriage seem conspicuously silent about those other issues

That for me is the clincher for what does and does not appear to motivate those most vocal opponents of gay marriage.

I accept that it's not the clincher as an argument against gay marriage per se, but what it does do is hold up the underlying principles of those particular opponents to question.

And in the absence of more convincing reasons, you have to wonder...