[patrick]

i have heard creative has the worst reliability record. plus their designs are poopy if you care about ui and stuff like that. the ipod is a pleasure to use and navigate with and if and w hen you h ave 60gigs on your thing, that really helps.

ipod HAS to be used with itunes so if that is an issue you might think about it. ummmm, ya. ipod is always nice too cause now they make accessories for everything under the sun for it. if you are into hacking you can load linux on it and make it do fun stuff like recording audio and other stuff...