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Tom, I have been working on this for two months. The project is complete. If you honestly think that I will show the same courtesy I have shown you so far when you are preventing me from sharing it, you must be a kook.
Since you are not showing me any leniency at all when you have shown it to others before, I won't give you any leniency to my crediting standards, either, and I'm putting your name back on the compilation and I am giving you full credit for what is already on there. In fact, I think a big sticker on the front of the artwork that says TM Productions would be a nice touch as well.
Bottom line, Tom, I have been extremely reasonable with you and have shown you a degree of courtesy and kindness that would cause others to vomit.
Genesis has been very kind to us to allow us to trade and remaster these technically illegal bootlegs, and have gone out of their way to tell Atlantic and EMI to back off pursuing trading of live bootlegs. For you to take a technically illegal recording that is not even yours, to modify it, and then to claim that you have exclusive rights of it is not only absurd, it is borderline psychotic.
These recordings, like it or not, belong to the Genesis community because the band has given us that privilege. They are free to distribute and do whatever we wish with them, except to make a profit off of them. The fact that you have restricted access to these recordings is an abuse of that privilege, especially concerning the Hammersmith Odeon 1976 recording— there still remains no copy of that out there because you have hidden it away while at the same time systematically controlling the way that it is distributed.
The standard in the Genesis community is that common courtesy is given by crediting those who remaster the bootlegs, and removing credit when the project does not meet their personal standards. Treating a bootleg like a copyrighted recording and preventing the distribution of it is out of bounds— the only other person I have seen do this before is Tommygun, are you familiar with him?
The recording is not yours to own, Tom. It's all of ours. My offer still stands as in the previous message. If I don't hear anything back, your name is going on it and I will distribute it elsewhere.
"I'm sorry for upsetting you but that's the way it is,"
Daniel
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How can someone work three months on a compliation? This is something that I don't really understand. All you did is copy & paste! Call me whatever you want but I can't help thinking that you have never considered any objection against your "project", hence your "ask for permission" was just a spoof.
Well that's what you always wanted to do with your compilation: adorn yourself with borrowed plumes, right? Leniency? Come on! The only thing that I requested was respect and this PN shows you haven't got any.
Yeah, very reasonable but you have probably never accepted any "no" in your life, haven't you? What are you usually doing? Are you throwing yourself on the ground or just stomp your feet until Mommy gives what you want?
Well, next time I modify a Genesis concert, I better keep it to myself instead of releasing in to the public domain. Disrespectful statements like yours are very helpful in keeping me away from doing further remasters.
You would never have gotten any TM Productions remaster work if I had never agreed to releasing it. In fact, I have some more in the can but I'm seriously thinking about keeping it locked forever. In fact, I have never claimed anything. You asked and I said I don't want it. If that is wrong to you why have you asked in the first place?
You should think before you write. All sources I've mentioned are easily available and nothing is hidden if you seriously ask for it. We have only got the Hammersmith recording because AV was so kind to give it to me. It was his demand that the untreated copy was never released and even though I usually respect his wishes I've just offered this recording to you on a silver platter. You've turned it down, fine. Whatelse do you want?
Tommygun (nice try to insult me by the way) rips the people off by taking money for his shit he has got for free. I have never taken any money, all I want is respect. To get respect IS indeed standard in the Genesis community, you have showed not much of it, I'm afraid. Instead you are trying to insult me.
So all I did is yours, right? And if I don't agree to your proposal, you are threatening me, right? Well life can be very easy as it seems.
Bottom line, Daniel. I think I was right in declining your very kind offer of re-releasing my stuff on your fantastic compilation. I'm going to forward this nice dialogue to Simon, so don't be surprised if it will be a bit more difficult for you to obtain my work in the future.
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After this I uploaded the torrent to eTree.org, a site unrelated to Genesis, where the policy is:
"Do NOT place restrictions on what people can do with your fileset. Once you release it, it's in the public domain, subject only to the band's trading policy. Not only are "restrictions" like "Do not convert to .mp3" and "Do not remaster" completely unenforceable, but they are obnoxious, impractical and go against the spirit of the etree community."
The only way to get a torrent deleted there is if someone reports the torrent as belonging to a band that is not "Trade-Friendly", which we all know Genesis is. Since Tom knew he could not get my torrent removed on his reasoning, he contacted the site administrator and lied to him. He told him Genesis does not allow bootleg trading and that he would be sued.
Apparently, Tom is above the rules, but he applies his rules to everyone else.
Think what you will, after this I have become soured of the entire Genesis community and I am leaving. Expect this post to be gone in a matter of hours.
that's what i've got so far. the only thing is i've contacted the site administrator for etree.org and they haven't told me why the torrent was deleted, but i assume it was tom. the torrent was organized to the specifications of etree.
does anyone have any advice? could i post such a torrent on the RTSR tracker? someone please help.