Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Yeah, the store gives a vague release date of 'November' for the box.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

We already know the answer, right? "DRIFT SONGS expands and enhances a selection of the recordings the duo have released since they began their audio/visual experiment in November 2018." from the album announce page: https://underworldlive.com/drift-songs/

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

It'll be songs from the EPs, updated a little - probably mostly just edits, cross-fades, a couple of new layers, maybe a couple of radically altered ones like they did with Soniamode - with a couple of new songs on there too.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Yes, I guess. I'm just hoping that, as a new album, R and K will present the best.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Japan seems to be getting a 1CD and 2CD edition, 1CD is up for preorder ¥ 2,200 and 2CD is ¥ 2,750. You can also buy the 2CD edition with a shirt.
https://i.imgur.com/jYVOvux.png





Translation:
Underworld announces the release of the latest album "Drift Songs"!
The domestic release is decided to be released on October 23 in two forms of deluxe edition and regular edition!
The world's best dance act by Karl Hyde and Rick Smith, Underworld, will release the latest album "DRIFT SONGS" on October 23. This film is the overall settlement of "DRIFT" series that Underworld has been working for 52 weeks. The project, which started in November 2018, has been launched as a platform for presenting various creations in a more speedy and direct manner to fans, and music, video and essays have been presented weekly.

"DRIFT SONGS" is a further extension of the songs selected from among the ones published so far, and will be refined as one work. The domestic CD to be released ahead of the world will also be released with a deluxe edition with a bonus disc, a regular edition (1CD), and a set with a T-shirt.

In 2018, he has released a collaboration work "Teatime Dub Encounters" with Iggy Pop, which was also selected as a [Q Award] by British Q magazine, but as a studio album, 2016 "Barbara Barbara, we face It will be since a shining future.


The long-awaited latest work of "Underworld" "DRIFT SONGS" will be released in Japan on October 23. The contents and details of this work, which are still being produced on an ongoing basis, will become clear in the future.


Source:
http://beatink.com/products/detail.php?product_id=10365

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Very interesting. I assume the bonus disc won't contain anything that's not on the boxset, but I guess we'll see.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Probably be a 'best of the rest' set.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I was doing my best to fix up the Underworld Discogs listings for the Drift series. They had Drift Episode 2 ATOM listed as an album and the other EPs were listed under Miscellaneous for some reason. I edited them all EPs as that is what the band states they are and what Discogs goes by now. It seems the idea of total length and/or amount of tracks have gone out the window.


Discogs lists both Nine Inch Nails' Bad Witch and The Smashing Pumpkins' Shiny And Oh So Bright - Vol. 1 / LP - No Past, No Future, No Sun as albums, even though technically they really are EPs. The reason is because the artists said these were albums and then digital sites listed them as so. Underworld's Drift releases come up under the EP section on Spotify and 7Digital and so on. Underworld said the different Episodes are EPs, that's how they should be listed. Some of the folks on Discogs can be a little d!ck!sh about this stuff. If the folks on Discogs who edit releases try to say the opposite and change them, well then they should change the listings for Nine Inch Nails and Smashing Pumpkins while they are at it. Let's see what happens.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Miscellaneous is when the various algorithms on the site can't work out whether it's an album or EP or compilation (if none are tagged). Atom is so long that it got listed automatically as album.

That said there doesn't seem to be anywhere that the band have stated they are EPs, so by Discogs rules then they shouldn't be tagged as that. The Sonar link, I think, was written by the promoters. The only thing the band have called them is 'episodes'. So, technically, they shouldn't be listed as EPs.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

If you went by album versus EP rules that someone shared depending on different digital stores, all 4 EPs would be considered albums by their length. The album was clearly distinguished from these EPs in the article and Drift Songs announcement. So we know they are not albums. Spotify and 7Digital list them under EPs as well as Wiki. If they are not albums, then they are EPs.

Nine Inch Nails' Bad Witch was originally the last in a trilogy of EPs that were announced. It is 6 tracks and 30:11 in length. Trent decided to call it an album when he discovered the way EPs are shoved at the bottom on digital sites and albums have more prominent billings. Plus blogs and reviewers find albums more attractive. Bad Witch was cleary an EP until Trent decided to list it as an album.

The fact that the Drift Episodes are in the EP section on Spotify clearly shows artists/labels have a say in which section a release is placed in and not on these so-called rules Spotify have or else they would have automatically been placed in album section by their rules... yet they are in the EP section where they belong.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

To me they are clearly EPs, both in length as well as content.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Thank you.

I really threw a wrench in these Discog folk's thought process when they tried to use the band actually calling Drift Songs an album and not personally saying the Episodes were EPs. The band may call Drift Songs an album, but the single disc is actually a selection of tracks from the EPs and the 6CD being all the EPs together, thus making Drift Songs a compilation by Discogs' rules, NOT an album. I did link an article where it stated they would be releasing 5 EPs and an album, but they are saying that is not good enough.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I'm not disagreeing with any of that. But on Discogs they have to be explicitly labelled EPs from a direct source (ie not a distributor / store) before they can be tagged as it.

Honestly, try not to get too hung up on Discogs stuff. I know how tempting it is to try and make it look neat and tidy and more logical, but fundamentally that isn't really the point of Discogs - it just exists to document what exists in the most accurate way possible. Truth is, with a series of releases like this, terms like album, EP, etc. are intentionally being blurred and made irrelevant. Don't worry about them too much.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

It isn't a thought process, it's about following the purpose of the site, which is gathering verified facts about each release into a database. I've had a peek, and the guy you're talking to also agrees that they are EPs, but as this isn't something the band have officially stated then it's still conjecture, and thus doesn't belong in a database that simply represents verified facts. This is the official line of Discogs submissions, and you'll never get around it, much as you try and argue with people on there.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Discogs does a lot of stupid things, such as placing releases in the album section that are clearly not albums and also putting live releases in the album section instead of its own section. It is amazing when they decide to follow rules and when they decide not to and when they decide to ignore logic. In the end, it seems like there are really no rules when a compilation can be called an album and an EP can be called an album or vice versa. For instance, Lorn called his latest release an EP and a mini album.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

When they first introduced the separation between album / EP / etc., there was an algorithm introduced to try and to it automatically, which is why things get put in there. It's probably due removal, to be honest. As for live releases, if a live album is a live album then it should be there I suppose.

I honestly think it was better about 10 years ago before they started separating between formats. It's caused no end of hassle trying to figure stuff out. Even so, the best thing you can do is just follow the submission guidelines and then you'll have no problems with your submissions.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I think there are two things that are preventing you from understanding how Discogs wants to operate.

The first is the sorting of the releases into different categories (albums, compilations, singles/EPs, Misc, etc.). As purlieu said, there's some old code and criteria that are not the greatest that makes for some messy sorting sometimes. You're just going to have to accept that you cannot affect that. There have been tons of discussions about it, and nothing's going to be changed with it in the near term. However, you cannot (and should not) tag formats based on how you want to force the releases to category sort.

Which brings me to the second item. The format tagging. In your posts, you've cited a lot of things that don't matter to Discogs, like number of tracks, duration, music retailer categorization, etc. You have to ignore all the stuff that you yourself normally consider or think of when you try to tag releases as singles, EPs, or albums on Discogs. In fact, the guidelines even say this: "Do not guess at or attempt to apply personal standards to these tags." In the guideline, the only thing that matters is, did the band/label/release refer to/designate it as a single or EP or album? If so, then you can use the tag. If not, then you can't. It's really that simple.

As for your poing about compilations, there are special rules about the Compilation tag, and it can absolutely be used in conjunction with other tags (it even says so first thing in the guideline: "The compilation tag can be used in conjunction with any other available tag, for example, 'Compilation, Album'"). So, for Drift Songs, it could, conceivable, qualify for both the Album and Compilation tags. However, we don't actually know yet, since we don't know what's going to be on the album. If it's all new songs, or different versions of the songs, it might not qualify for the Compilation tag.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

The number of tracks and duration is what another Discogs member brought forth to try to distinguish albums and EPs. He posted a link about what the different sites consider the standard for each format. Not me. My point was in response to that and I clearly said how the lines are being blurred in my posts above and how the number of tracks and albums doesn't matter anymore. Hence Nine Inch Nails calling what should technically be an EP an album by these standards that others pointed out and how these Drift Episodes would be considered albums instead of EPs if went by them. One of the first articles about Drift called these Episodes EPs, 5 EPs and an album, which is why I said the listings should be under the EP section, not the album or miscellaneous section. I am not putting a personal standard on them. I am calling them EPs because they were called that in an article where the band was specifically interviewed about the Drift series. They didn't pull the info out of a hat. They distinguished the EPs from the album that would come later.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Honestly, I do not now, nor have I ever, cared about discog's classifications. I've released plenty of music via netlabel, and they mess it up. But with an established, popular band like Underworld, that site would still not be the first place I'd consider for accurate info. Actually, you'll get more truth here!

Thanks for the links regarding the Drift album content. I'm still hopeful for a larger percentage of new, unheard tracks. But I'm fine with a Rick and Karl curated best of with a few extras (I have bought/downloaded every drift track, and pre-ordered the box set, so I hope I'm covered)

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Well I think even the tracks they select from the ones we know from the Episodes will be different from their Episode version on album as I read an article that made it sound that way.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Also, it seems Karl has thrown a wrench in all of this as he calls them "albums" when talking about the Drift Songs boxset being comprised of "seven albums" in this video at 9:44

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=317946779092263

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

This process seems indistinguishable from how an album is made, imo. here we have a spawl of tracks with a loose aesthetic goal, and at the end of this process they're going to curate it into a statement of what they've explored and created as a band, more or less.

Just because we're somewhat let into the process doesn't change what it essentially is. These are episodes, not EPs. it might be convenient in the RYM sense to classify them as such, but they don't really function as EPs do. The only thing that makes this seem like anything other than an album is the transparency in making it.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I was actually going to add that, songs will be a compilation. Unless and even then I’d still say that, they make major changes.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Seven??

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

one of them is a DVD though. so I think the musical part being 5+1 is still accurate


interesting thing from that interview...looks like they know what they're going to be working on post-Drift?

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Yeah, I noticed that, and I don't think the interviewer did, because otherwise she'd have been straight in there asking what he was talking about!

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I also caught that and was like, "Hey interviewer, you gonna go further with that comment? ...Hello?!?!"

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Finally put together my tracklist. This isn't a prediction of what UW will do, just what I'd do with the available material if I were the curator. It's about 2 minutes too long so assume an edit somewhere. I suppose this is an attempt to emulate the structure and flow of past Underworld albums.

1. Universe of Can When Back
2. Listen to Their No
3. Custard Speedtalk
4. This Must be Drum Street
5. Appleshine (Film Edit)
6. Dexters Chalk
7. Altitude Dub
8. Schipol Test
9. Poet Cat
10. Border Country
11. Dune

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I feel like Soniamode is a definite.

EDIT: ah, not a prediction. guess you dont like Sonia?

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

WWUD?

I do agree with the idea of them not including border country in the same way that STITI didnt have nuxx. they talked like it's a good live tool when intro'ing it and they historically cared much more about the integrity of the album's statement than shoe-horning fan favorites. almost every album has its goofy duds while we rave about how great the B-sides are.

if we're thinking about the overall place underworld are in aesthetically and sonically, and how that would be represented in an album, knowing how they've constructed their albums before, i think these are the current tiers the tracks are in

Definite:
Another Silent Way --> Low Between Zebras
It's that which kicked the whole thing off, and the mission statement as chaser. seems obvious to me.
Listen to Their No
literally sold as the single
Dexter's Chalk
Hyde's most distinct vocal performance and seems like the more rounded "banger" of the group, even though we all love BC, yes yes...
Soniamode
They seemed really excited giving us this one and they even let us in on their tweaks with it.
Appleshine
You just don't do a 50 minute riff off of this without thinking that this is the main flag of The Sound.
Altitude Dub
I vote for this being the (edited) goofy dud of the album. it'll work with like 10% of people, everyone else will hate it or make their peace with it. this is the ring road, the trim, the surfboy...


Probable, or at the very least wouldn't be surprised:
Custard Speedtalk
You really could retrofit this to be that nice 3rd track jam that breaks up the banger energy and gives us that full-view UW. Karl's lyrics really grate on me in places though but that's neither here or there...
This Must Be Drum Street
Played out live and i think it's quite liked, and requires tilting the head a bit to get it. that synth is just too out of place for me and i firmly believe that "do you wanna buy my car" is trying to evoke something out of nothing, but that's not stopped them before and I'll probably get used to both as essential to the thing.
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Dune
Again, would probably need to be re-structured and added to. but this is the sola sistim, the jumbo, the tongue, the moon in water one of the album if it makes it.
Universe of Can When Back
Seems too good to ignore but it's a bit spare and almost like it's either ASW or this one.
Hundred Weight Hammer
Count on them to make the very brave and utterly terrible decision to include this based on how buzzed they were on the process of making it, but also overweening chutzpah. Though if this is included Altitude Dub is out.


Outside chance, but nah:
Border Country
I'm probably underhyping it for the sake of my argument above. this could be the Dino 3D near-end inclusion like khouri had, or it could be left off entirely.
Brussels
They gave us this as a magical result of last minute frenzy and it probably belongs to that moment. don't see it making it onto the final product unless they make it a little more elegant. those melodies are powerful though, might get cannibalized into something else.
Pinetum
Just spends too damn long being empty. structurally it's for the tension, and it works, but album-wise it's just too much real estate.
Schipol Test
It's good, but there are many similar options in front of this. this is the quintessential b-side to me.
Poet Cat
really???

Nope:
Threat of Rain
great track, but en-tirely for the fans
Molehill
fuck off

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

"Soniamode" is possibly my least favorite Underworld song of all time.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

:D Made me spit my coffee. Couldn't agree miore.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I love Molehill. sounds like a lost Jon & Vangelis track to me. yes I am a dork

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Love it too. I actually have no track I dislike so far. I am getting irritated with Appleshine at times, but that’s it.
I really don’t get all the negativity. If ya don’t like it, kick it out the playlist. :)

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

my only issue with Appleshine is the hi hat, it's too loud and kinda hurts the ambience of the track


still love it though

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

btw, here's a good catch from someone on r/underworld - although the vocal bit was obviously on "Dexter's Chalk", this tune hasn't actually been released yet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDw...=youtu.be&t=26

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

I think Listen to Their No and Soniamode are locks for the album. They've been getting a lot of play on BBC Radio the past few months, and some DJ's have referred to them as "singles" from Drift Songs.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Not getting the hate for soniamode. I prefer the aditya game version.

My thinking as to what might be included is:
border country
listen to their no
dune
appleshine
another silent way
this must be drum street
one of the soniamodes
possibly dexters chalk


I like schipol test but think it'll be cut.
I still LOVE appleshine continuum. It is a beast. Listen to it loads

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Should add btw, not getting the hundred weight hammer dislike. Understand peeps not liking the vid, but as a tune in its own right, it hits the spot for me.

Re: DRIFT SONGS - New album, Oct 25, 2019
 

Has the Drift series over?