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"and if they were hot you could try to pick them up" & "the stewardess would have been better than the cocaine" -- sorry, that i inferred Iggy meant banging and not taking them out for a steak dinner. :\

and the song is not solely about Iggy's courage. Its about a time long gone by. And somehow that involves (even comedically) hijackings.

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Well, I didn't get that the hijacking story was connected to the story about getting the phone number, other than he was talking about planes and the train of thought took him that way.
I'm sure you've had conversations, that's kind of how they work, don't they?
But, you know, the vocal doesn't work for you. That's fine. Personally, I think your reading of it is a slightly snooty and a tad humourless. That's all.

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On Youtube, the video has 4,300 yeahs and 108 nahs. Odds are in favor, but there are always some distractors. Not gonna change their minds.
And basically, there's no point. You either like it or hate it. For many years, new UW tracks have left me confused, but i always teeter into the fold. They've produced nothing that disgusts, but plenty that challenged, and a lot that entices.

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I'm almost entire in this category. I dislike so few Underworld tracks. The problem I'm having is that I love the music but really hate the ranting. Its just so poorly ranted.

Its just not on theme with Underworld. Like i said earlier, can anyone picture Karl singing that? how weird would that feel?

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that's the point though isn't it? the last few years seem to be all about doing things they normally wouldn't do. starting perhaps with the Olympic stuff.

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no? like i said above if this had been Karl signing those lyrics, i think more would be turned off a bit by it. but its not, its Iggy. so some of you are fine with it, some find it funny, but i find it pretty cheesy or poorly executed.

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Will there be a new album?

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first: i love this song. reminds me of the energy of moaner, getting a basically one-note composition to great hights. not many people can do this and produce anything listenable in this way. yet this song does this in my opinion. including iggy, and how they edited him in.

second: i've never been a fan of iggy pop but i've always respected him as part of the movement that made punk which changed popular music and made also possible the do it yourself attitude that sprouted the electronic music revolution some fifteen years later.

third: i really do not understand, and am actually are appaled by, the rant about the 'rant' of iggy's lyrics in this topic. to be very honest, it tells me how far we are from recovering from the conservative cultural movement that set in at the beginning of the millennium and continues to worsten until today. and i cannot help to notice that the most complaints come from the american continent. for what it's worth.

to me, the iggy rant is a highly political statement, and i am grateful for underworld to edit it in this way (as it is edited clearly so you should address them). as a lyricist, as an artist, he builds a story to make a point. smoking on the airplane is a means, not the point as an old guy. he uses it as a construct to address something else: the fact that liberal democracy, and what he calls 'european ideas about right and wrong' are disappearing from the general, global ideas around what society should be like. and he is right. this is a general concern. and the fact these lyrics are discussed here in this way, the fucking underworld forum, actually proves his point. what do you think underworld and their likes tried to do back in 1993? thgey tried to expand freedom of everything. of sound, of art, of they way you lived. and now you are saying that iggy pop, who did that before, is sexist or oldfashioned? whenever you listen to dubnobass next time, please realise this was freeing music, not bounding it in any sense.

underworld music is about pushing bounderies, about doing new things, about creating something you've never heard before. as they did in this new song.

and yes, i still smoke. moderately.

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yes I agree - you really do not understand the criticisms of iggy's lyrics.

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I'm from America, New York to be specific, and I love the song and the lyrics do not bother me at all... because I actually understood the point the song was conveying.

I am someone who was honestly baffled by the negative response to the lyrics. I think the lyrics flew over people's heads. Someone is always there ready to create controversy over something. I think the negative response people are having with this song is exactly what the song is trying to poke fun of and create a discussion about. I don't Iggy is genuinely pining for the days of smoking on an airplane and hitting on stewardesses. The lyrics are more like form of provocation for those who will take what he says way too literally and go and be angry about it. They behave as a way for us to look at ourselves, when we may take things too seriously and jump the gun and let our anger get the best of us. Even in today's world, if you did try to do something beautiful, it will more than likely piss someone off no matter what you do. There is someone out there ready to tell you "You can't do that."

Write a song about smoking on airplanes and hitting on stewardesses. (You can't do that)

Let the sun shine on your wings (You can't do that)

Soon, you won't be able to do anything when you take the "You can't do that" mentality too far. A sort of cautionary tale that deserves this discussion.

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I appreciate this angle quite a bit and I can identify with it. I was (and still am) a little put off by iggy's lyrics, but I regularly get (You can't do that)'s in my life as a skater. I think part of my distaste is that I put a considerable amount of effort into ensuring the beautiful things I do, the things that spread sunlight on my wings, don't negatively impact others even if they are entirely just for me. Meanwhile, the images and instances they chose to illuminate and use are ones that can often negatively impact those around you. Perhaps that was part of the 'provocateur' choice?

PS: I smoke, heavily. Thank goodness I live in a legal state. ;)

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I think it's interesting that all the criticism of the criticism is rooted in the notion that detractors can't possibly dislike the song in a genuine way, but are dishonestly seeking to be put off by it in service of politics, which is a position that's as political as anything else in the discussion.

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ding ding ding. quite possibly the most sensible thing I've read in this thread so far.

there's been some "slippery slope" fallacies popping up here and there, ie - "they've taken away our right to smoke on planes, what will they take away next? let's keep an eye on this disturbing trend" except that my ability to be in a public space without having my health compromised by an entitled minority of people who don't give a f*ck about their bodies is a *literal expansion* of my freedom & an objectively more progressive way to have a society.

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i said my piece. stans are gonna stan. it's not so complicated that anyone criticizing it "just doesn't get it" and i can't reply to that level of fanboying seriously.

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Fanboying? My response to the song's lyrics have absolutely nothing to do with fanboying. It is my response and thoughts on the song lyrics. Also, the fact that this song was written and meant for the Trainspotting sequel, which deals with growing old and watching the world change around you and how you feel out of place in this new world where ideas of what's cool and accepted and what is now considered bad and outdated. A sorta shock an older person experiencing this shift in thought, culture, behavior over time. This is an unused song written for a movie dealing with what the song is talking about.

Nowhere did I actually gush over the song hence this has nothing to do with being a fanboy. It's understanding the context of a song. I just stated the meaning I got from the lyrics instead of losing my mind and being offended over someone doing a silly, tongue in cheek spoken word about smoking cigarettes and hitting on a stewardess on an airplane. What I find funny are the folks who just don't like the song getting bent out of shape over my thoughts when they weren't even directed at them. My response was toward the people losing their mind over the lyrical content itself, getting angry and focusing on smoking cigarettes and hinting on a stewardess, and pointing out how they maybe missed out on the actual meaning.

Then again, what I took away from the lyrics still stands and seems to be validated a bit because here we are with people overreacting and getting angry over my thoughts on the lyrics and their meaning.

Sharing your thoughts (You can't do that)
Finding meaning in a track (You can't do that)

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I went back to this after a few weeks now and I still think the rant sucks. The rant/lyrics is not Underworld for what I like them for.

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lmao

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thumbs up, iamneorev!

dubman: ever read a book with a complicated protagonist, or even an asshole as such? american psycho? any dostoevsky? ever seen a movie with difficult morals? a clockwork orange? dogville? things that leave you with questions? art is here to make us question and wonder in many ways. if you think something that takes you out of your comfort zone in the realm of what you like makes someone else who gets something from it a 'fanboy'... go figure. who's the fanboy?

ironically, this song is about the fact that western society is less and less open to this type of art. (you can't do that).

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eh. i think we're more open to this type of art. Urban art has never been more understood, movies and music push limits as always. This song just happens to be be pretty meh and very UN-underworld.

And smoking on an airplane wasn't banned because a few complaining people. In fact, there's nothing in that song that was simply taken away from anyone in an 'you cant do that' kinda way.

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Great discussions. Don't forget it was a recorded session for Transpotting 2. The plot of the movie was more and less the you can't do that part. 20 years later: what has changed and what not. Guess the song would have been a much better fit on the soundtrack than a stand alone EP.

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the headline of the upcoming Q magazine says "Iggy Pop joins Underworld" and my gut reaction was 'i hope not!' (yes, i know what they mean by it)

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You can't do that

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Was watching Wimbledon coverage on the BBC on Monday and they did a little focus on Roger Federer; they used Bells & Circles as the music bed, The "sunlight on my wings" bit was used to glorify Rogers' admittedly glorious career/ability.

You could hear bits of Iggy in the background too, so I guess the BBC haven't been sent an instrumental. Anyone holding their breath for an Iggy-free instrumental may want to um, manage their expectations.
Must say the track has really grown on me since its release. I like Iggy (Post Pop Depression was the best Rock album of 2016) but some of the lyrics do feel a bit incongruous. I remember smoking on airplanes from when I was a very small boy. If you were in the non-smoking section, you were still effectively smoking.

New lyric suggestion: inflicting carcinogenic fumes on people forced to sit in the same metal tube as you for many hours? You can't do that.




EDIT: Oh I've just read this on the EP thread:
Well I guess that's good news for some of y'all.

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So does “Iggy pop joins underworld” mean forever?

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No. It doesn't.

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i was 99% this, but the word "joins" was a weird choice. :D

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A friend happened to post this elsewhere. The glory days Iggy fondly recalls, when you could bully young women without consequences because you’re rich and famous (and white). Alas, what a sterile and repressive society we’ve become.

https://youtu.be/LJv4yBWWfeo

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So, UW won a Q Award for Best Track for "Bells & Circles". They beat out the following other nominees:

Love It If We Made It – The 1975
This Is America – Childish Gambino
Girlfriend – Christine & The Queens
The Man – Goat Girl
Make Me Feel – Janelle Monae

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos...9694?s=612x612

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gratz!

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Wow!

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https://www.clashmusic.com/features/...ets-underworld





Rick's finishing up "records" and there's about to be an explosion of underworld. Good interview, save for where he says they've, "never really had a fan club." :mad:

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.....really??



HA, lovely.