Ipod Nano - replaces the ipod mini

[kagenaki koe]

not sure if this is the right forum for this but
http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/

and it comes in all black version too!

[Eikman]

fuck yeah!

[IsiliRunite]

Just in time to waste your money on something that involves NO innovation.

"Rechargeable batteries have a limited number of charge cycles and may eventually need to be replaced. Battery life and the number of charge cycles vary by use and settings. See www.apple.com/batteries (http://www.apple.com/batteries/) for more information."

Suck more please

[joethelion]

...but it is innovative

it's f-off small!

and honestly - duh, about the batteries. No battery lasts forever - you've got to be joking if you think that a battery will last forever, even if you recharge it. Anyway, apple changed their policy about replacing batteries, so it's a moot point.

[IsiliRunite]

Shrinking something doesn't make it good. Ask your girlfriend about how she likes your new half-sizes phallus if you're so willing for change and "innovation".

[BrotherLovesDub]

14hr battery life!


don't hate cuz you're a broke ass bitch.

[ceramic'cow]

Shrinking something doesn't make it good. Ask your girlfriend about how she likes your new half-sizes phallus if you're so willing for change and "innovation".

are you Arjue in disguise?

[kagenaki koe]

innovation schminovation, it's a super sleek looking gadget. who needs to reinvent the wheel, when all you need is just a wheel...sure you could add spinners, but it'll still be a noninnovative wheel

[Forgotten Sanity]

Hahaha... I *still* love my $220 Creative Zen Xtra, all 30 gigs of it and the removable, rechargable battery.

All of you i-pod freaks are SHEEP. :D

[patrick]

that thing looks gorgeous!!! i need to get a 60 photo though cause i am going to use it to dump off digital photos..>!>!>!>!>

[IsiliRunite]

I'm beginning to think you're all fashion designers, opposed to audiophiles.

It GOES in your POCKET. It could look like a piece of coal, if it plays music well, and allows for you to change the battery, that's what matters. And I know for a fact that all iPod models have decent sound quality and horrible output. I'm sorry, but I refuse to use ear-buds.

[adam]

I'm beginning to think you're a total ass.

[IsiliRunite]

It's your money, but I'm doing what another member is doing: Going for the cheaper gb/monetary unit version of another brand, that I won't see every other person with. Its what's right for me, and my needs. I need to hear my music for the lowest price and highest quality, so I'm not going to pay more for good looks and miniscule size.

Were you beginning to assume things, too? :rolleyes:

[goldfish]

It GOES in your POCKET. It could look like a piece of coal, if it plays music well, and allows for you to change the battery,

Surely it's also got to be easy to use, easy to link to your computer, easy to connect to the iTMS and have useful useable features? Compared to the non-ipod personals I've used, the iPod is a country mile ahead in all of those categories, and just as good in the two you mention.

Sound quality is good; it's hard to tell how good, because as any audiophile knows, MP3s, AACs, OGGs etc. all sound universally a bit shit. Whining about audiophile sound quality on a device designed to play compressed music on the move seems a bit silly to me.

I think it's a nice enough device; it's a deluxe Shuffle, for people who don't have gazillions of songs on their computer (I've seen nothing to suggest it's a replacement for the Mini, not least because I'm assuming it's flash based, not hard-drive).

Still a pretty dull Keynote. New iTunes to match Mail. Woo-fucking-hoo. iTunes phone; great that that's half-arsed, 'cos device convergence is for the idiot gadget freaks, not the general public.

Nanu Nanu

Simon

[IsiliRunite]

You bring up a good point of OGG and Mp3s, but I've been pretty faithful about 320, like I'm sure a lot of you have, and unless I'm in non-mobile circumstances, I wouldn't make it out, the difference.

[Forgotten Sanity]

Surely it's also got to be easy to use, easy to link to your computer, easy to connect to the iTMS and have useful useable features? Compared to the non-ipod personals I've used, the iPod is a country mile ahead in all of those categories, and just as good in the two you mention.

See, I agree that the ipod is easier to use than my own personal unit... but the 5 gig ipod mini was selling for $250 and my 30 gb unit was selling for $230. I went on epinions.com to see what people said about my unit (hahaha, my unit... they're talking about my unit... but I digress) and they said that the worst thing about it was the unintuitive gui. And yet, playing with the Creative Zen at the local electronics shop, learning how to use it befiore I even bought it (and its easy to use at that rate)... it just made me think, "Do people really need to be catered to THAT much??"

I mean, go get an ipod if you want but there are SO many alternatives out there, and so many that can compete with the ipod on every level... sound quality, battery life, capacity, *price*... it astonishes me to see that nothing is even really competing in sales or even press with what I feel is an over-priced, only average unit.

[goldfish]

that I won't see every other person with.

"Look at me, I'm different..."

And you complain about others being fashion victims. :rolleyes:

Simon

[goldfish]

it astonishes me to see that nothing is even really competing in sales or even press with what I feel is an over-priced, only average unit.

Nothing else out there has the same package of quality (the iPod just feels better than everything else), design, software integration, software design, online store, ease of use (the click wheel is so intuitive), colour screen, sound quality etc.

A lot of them have bits and bobs of the above, but nothing else has all of them. I should add that I have a Mac, so the whole thing's a doddle anyway.

Simon

[IsiliRunite]

And you complain about others being fashion victims. :rolleyes: It's not that I don't want to see others with what I use, I don't HAVE to, to be content with what I have.

[sola sistim]

It's your money, but I'm doing what another member is doing: Going for the cheaper gb/monetary unit version of another brand, that I won't see every other person with. Its what's right for me, and my needs. I need to hear my music for the lowest price and highest quality, so I'm not going to pay more for good looks and miniscule size.

Were you beginning to assume things, too? :rolleyes:
um, why the fuck do you care what other people want to waste their money on?
if YOU dont like it, dont buy one, just dont tell anyone else not to buy one because you dont like it.

[Stephen]

Well regardless of whether it wipes your ass/stimulates your prostate/automatically videos all your favourite programs without the adverts in, I don't give a shit. I am so sick of how the Apple/iPod brand has become synomymous with 'cool' in the eyes of marketing men all over this land. I browse through a magazine and the lead picture to an article has a girl sat in a restaurant with an iPod on the table. The iPod is nothing to do with anything, the article is about eating disorders. iPods are 'cool' though… There's that new fucking BMW with a built-in 'iPod Connection'. What exactly is that? Is it really just a small stereo jack coming from the stereo? Still, someone is paying someone else so that it can be implicitly called an 'iPod Connection'. Probably BMW to Apple so that they too can look 'cool'. I'm also sick of the number of people I've come across who want one of these things so they can look 'cool'. Seriously, I've actually met people who want one to be seen with on the beach. No fucking mention of listening to music on it. No fucking clue what it's actually for in some cases, I'm sure.

Apple and it's iPod brand can suck my cock/balls/arse.

[big screen satellite]

its just a rebranding of the same brand, Playstation did it with the PS2...they just shrink thinkgs down as technology improves - i don;t see what the big complaint is...

now if you don't have an mp3 player and want a small one to fit in yer pocket buy this, but check out what else is on the market too...

remember it'll only hold 500-1000 songs...if you want more gb, buy a bigger model or different brand...

i-pod's are the 'sony walkman' of the 21st century...so what if it's fashion item...everything is designed to look good, and if it plays music well then mores the better...

image is totally important to brands, the more people apple have wearing the white headphones the better for them...its not doing them any harm...

conform or don't...its up to you...no-ones forcing anyone to buy anything...

[Ally]

device convergence is for the idiot gadget freaks,

Utter pish.

[dubman]

i thought it was a parody article when i read it this morning.
come on, somone holding what looks like a rectal thremometer with a ridiculously self-mocking title of "nano"
what a goddamn waste of time. i never understood the utter novelty of portable music becoming smaller and smaller. i like the ORIGINAL ipod. it was thick, it was nice, but it was obstructively large and it actually looked like it stored ungodly amounts of music. i didnt get one because of the forbidden price range, but it at least was appealing.

this nano stuff is just idiocy, with a middle finger thrown in (read: the ability to see crystal clear images...! on a screen the size of your fingernail! hooray!)

sounds like a sketch will ferell should be in.

[monkeyboy]

. Seriously, I've actually met people who want one to be seen with on the beach. No fucking mention of listening to music on it. No fucking clue what it's actually for in some cases, I'm sure. Apple and it's iPod brand can suck my cock/balls/arse.



I also know a guy who wants an ipod just to be popular...and he is a dick!
But I wouldn't mind having one. :D

[goldfish]

Utter pish.

Let's count the posts about the iPod Phone, shall we.

Combined iPod/Phone/Camera/Organiser/Web browser... anyone give a shit?

No.

Simon

[GforGroove]

http://www.nytimes.com/video/html/2005/06/29/technology/highbandwidth/realmedia/20050629_GUEST_VIDEO.html


I posted this before.. now just makes a lot of sense :D

[GreenPea]

In technology one the objectives is to make everything smaller(except for the US car industry, cause people here have a retarded taste in vehicles...) I think this is great, it looks nice, you can still select songs unlike the iPod shuffle but you can stick it in your freaking wallet most likely. You lose some storage but I will never have over 1000 songs on rotation anyways.

[GreenPea]

http://www.nytimes.com/video/html/2005/06/29/technology/highbandwidth/realmedia/20050629_GUEST_VIDEO.html


I posted this before.. now just makes a lot of sense :D


HAHAHAHAHHA. This vid is priceless, i love it, thanks!

[kagenaki koe]

Well regardless of whether it wipes your ass/stimulates your prostate/automatically videos all your favourite programs without the adverts in, I don't give a shit. I am so sick of how the Apple/iPod brand has become synomymous with 'cool' in the eyes of marketing men all over this land. I browse through a magazine and the lead picture to an article has a girl sat in a restaurant with an iPod on the table. The iPod is nothing to do with anything, the article is about eating disorders. iPods are 'cool' though… There's that new fucking BMW with a built-in 'iPod Connection'. What exactly is that? Is it really just a small stereo jack coming from the stereo? Still, someone is paying someone else so that it can be implicitly called an 'iPod Connection'. Probably BMW to Apple so that they too can look 'cool'. I'm also sick of the number of people I've come across who want one of these things so they can look 'cool'. Seriously, I've actually met people who want one to be seen with on the beach. No fucking mention of listening to music on it. No fucking clue what it's actually for in some cases, I'm sure.

Apple and it's iPod brand can suck my cock/balls/arse.



seems like you're projecting your anger towards a product, when it's really the hipsters/trendy/wanna be cool crowd that gets your panties in a bunch.

[Ally]

Let's count the posts about the iPod Phone, shall we.

Combined iPod/Phone/Camera/Organiser/Web browser... anyone give a shit?

No.

Simon

Where did I criticise your point about the phone you tit?

[*_*]

well, i think the Nano is fuck off nifty if you ask me. i've had a 1st gen. 10gb ipod for about 4 years... and i honestly think i'm gonna be ordering one of these soon.

i've had Macs for years, so i've been "cool" for years. this'll be more or less just a dues payment. :D

[*_*]

Where did I criticise your point about the phone you tit?

toys back in the pram, if you please.

[goldfish]

Where did I criticise your point about the phone you tit?

device convergence is for the idiot gadget freaks,

Utter pish.

You're all hormonal Ally. Step away from the keyboard.

In the real world, people want well-designed tools that do their job well. Noone wants a hammer that also acts as a saw, because it ends up doing both jobs in a half-arsed way. Same with phone/music players/cameras. They're OK at everything, but no replacement for (particularly) music players and cameras, and realistically, unless you want to carry a brick with you, not very good as a phone either.

Simon

[djeddy]

Where did I criticise your point about the phone you tit?

i swear. when we get to the point where we're calling people tits, its just time to laugh it out. i mean. i can't stop laughing from that quote ally. fuckin hilarious!!!

[ceramic'cow]

i like tits.


also, my Creative Zen FUCKING BROKE. THE CUNT. more than £200 quid that cost me, i've only had it 18 months. and now the hard-drive's shagged. but it's out of warranty, so i'll have to replace it myself. that's, what, another £50. you have no idea how :mad: this makes me

[dubman]

i think the marketing got to the crowd first, koe.
crowds usually dont know what to do until marketing sells it to them.

and then it becomes the annoying phenomena stephen pointed out.

i dont care personally. if i had one i'd use it for what it was meant, MUSIC, and just be glad i dont have to deal with the worst portable CD player in the universe that's 7 years old.

...

hey, i'm poor. as long as it plays my CD 1 out of 10 times i'm not blowing $200 on hard drive stored in a diaphragm box.

[Kennrr]

i think it looks cool. i bought my ipod because it looked cool, holding felt cool, navigating through was cool, the shiny back was cool. i didn't look cool w/ it but that was cool with me. i've look for other mp3 player but playing around w/ it doesn't give the same feel as the ipod i have now.

now lets talk about those dorks w/ stock white ipod earphones and tacky protective skins. :p

[stimpee]

See, I agree that the ipod is easier to use than my own personal unit... but the 5 gig ipod mini was selling for $250 and my 30 gb unit was selling for $230. I went on epinions.com to see what people said about my unit (hahaha, my unit... they're talking about my unit... but I digress) and they said that the worst thing about it was the unintuitive gui. And yet, playing with the Creative Zen at the local electronics shop, learning how to use it befiore I even bought it (and its easy to use at that rate)... it just made me think, "Do people really need to be catered to THAT much??"
looks like you answered yourself there. the ipod sells because a) its easy to use b) it just works c) marketing. it sounds like you only bought the Creative because it was cheaper not because it was better.

I mean, go get an ipod if you want but there are SO many alternatives out there, and so many that can compete with the ipod on every level... sound quality, battery life, capacity, *price*... it astonishes me to see that nothing is even really competing in sales or even press with what I feel is an over-priced, only average unit.
Yes, there are alternatives out there but they arent as easy to use and arent as well advertised and Apple seems to be the only one not struggling to cram as many features in as possible. They keep it simple. The sound coming from the ipod is actually very good (if you use decent earbuds, but that applies to all). If all you want is something to PLAY your mp3s then the ipod is probably at the top of the pile. Its far from average.

If however, you want a remote control, something that plays Oggs/FLAC, records, has a radio etc then the ipod isnt what you need.

This new unit is even more desirable because its lightweight and smaller and improves on the design. If youve got a Creative Zen Xtra 30GB in your pocket then you'll certainly know about it because its 7.6 x 11.3 x 2.2 cm and weighs 224g. Its a brick. Whereas the new Nano is over 5x lighter, 4x thinner, and 2x narrower at 9.0 x 4.0 x 0.69 cm and 42 g. And now available in black! maybe they'll do black earbuds too...

With the Nano its all about horses for courses. Me? I havent got an ipod. I've got an iAUDIO M3. Its smaller than a normal ipod, plays wav/flac/ogg/mp3/wma, records, has an FM radio, a remote control and cooks me breakfast. I wanted all those features but didnt want to carry a Creative brick around. My mate has a Zen and he's put a 100GB drive in his. (had to send it back to be repaired twice but he loves it). Mad, but he likes to carry everything with him.

[Forgotten Sanity]

Well I wouldn't necessarily go THAT far -- true, the Creative units are fairly large but I'm not a huge fan of tiny, tiny electronics... at the time that I bought the unit, the Zen Xtra was the only unit that I could find that had an intentionally removeable lid, which held an intentionally removable battery. I also didn't mind the jog wheel for navigation, as opposed to touch pads.

And plus, I've been a fan of Creative since the 8-bit Soundblasters first came out. They were also the first (if I remember correctly) to offer integrated mp3 technology in a cd player, and the first to package and sell a harddrive-driven mp3 player (i-pod was just the first to have an enormous capacity). I respect Creative Lab's pioneering spirit in portable mp3 players, and wanted to go with the one that had had their hat in the ring the longest...

And most importantly, the sound quality on my Zen Xtra is freaking awesome. I don't know how the ipod's is, but I'm sure that if the ipod sounds better, it's only by a marginal difference.

[kagenaki koe]

since this is a flash based player and not a hd based one, we should cut out comparing it to other products being mentioned here (which is mostly HD based). it would be like comparing a tape player walkman vs an mp3 player, yes they're both portable players but different technologies.

for a flash based player, it's priced comparable to the other players (considering capacity). Sony's flash based walkmen actually cost more.

[patrick]

well the thing is it works the same as the HD players. a tape player works considerably different than a cd player. in maybe 2 years there won't be any HD players (maybe) but the majority of the public won't know or care... they will just use it the same...

however, i think the thing is really cool. i am wondering abbout the headphones that double as the neckband though... kinda a neat touch if it works...

[stimpee]

in maybe 2 years there won't be any HD players (maybe)
not unless we can get 60GB flash in the next 2 years. 2GB cards cost a fortune already and the 4GB ones in the new ipod isnt cheap i bet. Under Moore's law, HD capacity doubles every 18 months, so we might be on 16GB in two years if we're lucky.

Forgotten Sanity: those Creative units do have one saving grace. The standard 2.5" HD inside thats easily replaceable. I've used the Zen Micro and i like the scroll trackpad on the front. I'd never buy anything from Creative ever again tho as I've been burned by their poor quality soundcards (and even worse bloated drivers) a couple of times.

[IsiliRunite]

um, why the fuck do you care what other people want to waste their money on?
if YOU dont like it, dont buy one, just dont tell anyone else not to buy one because you dont like it. Because, this is an iPod discussion, and I guess posting something other than, "Drool" is not allowed.

If you begin talking politics, you don't avoid discussing half of the issue, and with the iPod, its marketing, audience, and price-point.

[lukeyd]

i couldnt care less that this looks gorgeous and is probably a thing you want to pick up, but i think i might still be getting this for a few reasons

1) i have an apple already so the ease of use/connectivity is the shizzle.
2) i need a flash based player cos i'll use it whilst out jogging (ha!)
3) afaik its the biggest capacity flash player currently available
4) it will make me more desirable to women. its true, scientists proved it.

[Kennrr]

4) it will make me more desirable to women. its true, scientists proved it.

60% of the time, it works everytime.


one of the appeal for me is the fact that it does look damn good to my eyes. no luck w/ the ladies though. besides ipods become so common, i guess the cool thing is to hate on them now. regardless of fashion trends, i love my ipod and will only trade in for another ipod.

[ffolkes]

besides ipods become so common, i guess the cool thing is to hate on them now. regardless of fashion trends, i love my ipod and will only trade in for another ipod.

what he said.

it's easier to spot people with white earbuds than without them nowadays. So i can imagine some who always wanna swim upstream saying that "ipod sucks monkeyballs" etc.

sigh.

My opinion on ipod is simply that it's a useful portable. i couldn't give two fucks about the status/fashion side of it, simply cos the novelty always wears off eventually.
In fact i'm kinda looking forward to the future where we can all look back and laugh at the whole thing.

But back to the "ipod nano", well... it's very small.
Although i fail to see anything revolutionary in it besides the size, it'll probably sell bucketloads for its sheer accessibility alone.

[lukeyd]

60% of the time, it works everytime."that doesnt make any sense"

"it smells like shit covered in burning hair"


:D

[Ally]

device convergence is for the idiot gadget freaks,



You're all hormonal Ally. Step away from the keyboard.

In the real world, people want well-designed tools that do their job well. Noone wants a hammer that also acts as a saw, because it ends up doing both jobs in a half-arsed way. Same with phone/music players/cameras. They're OK at everything, but no replacement for (particularly) music players and cameras, and realistically, unless you want to carry a brick with you, not very good as a phone either.

But no mention of the phone.. :rolleyes:

In the real world, everyone wants less to carry. Tit. :)

[Ally]

i swear. when we get to the point where we're calling people tits, its just time to laugh it out. i mean. i can't stop laughing from that quote ally. fuckin hilarious!!!

Glad I raised a laugh :D

[kagenaki koe]

3) afaik its the biggest capacity flash player currently available


apparently, Samsung had given Apple a nearly 50% discount for the flash memory which enables Apple to sell the nano cheap.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200509/200509090022.html

i know people are scoffing at the price, but other companies flash and smaller mp3 players also cost way more than their hd based players: 5GB creative micro is $199.99, a 20GB zen touch is $229, a 1GB muvo micro cost around $150.

[ultradave]

if YOU dont like it, dont buy one, just dont tell anyone else not to buy one because you dont like it.

in a nutshell...

i've gotten bored reading back and forth about what's better and what not. no one cares. if you don't like the iPod, don't buy it... and as for the trend factor - are you going to stop listening to UW if everyone in the world was listening to them, I THINK NOT.


Cheers,

now playing: "Bruce Lee - UW" - "Life Kid, Suck The Box!" ...
Where's my Tan Blonde?

[goldfish]

In the real world, everyone wants less to carry. Tit. :)

Not at the expense of usability and effectiveness. As before, only the idiot gadget freaks are prepared to sacrifice quality for the sake of saying "look at my Sony P910, it's the r0x0r5!1!!ONE!!11!!!!ELEVEN!!!!".

</unignore>

Simon

[lukeyd]

simon, stop trying to pick a fight about a different thread. you're being inflammatory and there is no reason for it. give your comments and thoughts but leave the whole "/unignore" shit alone

personally i agree with you, i dont see the point in convergence until one multiuse thing can do the job as well as each seperate. battery life is a HUGE thing for me about mobiles, and extra, mostly-unused, battery-draining features piss me off after novelty goes away.

[goldfish]

simon, stop trying to pick a fight about a different thread

Eh?

personally i agree with you, i dont see the point in convergence until one multiuse thing can do the job as well as each seperate. battery life is a HUGE thing for me about mobiles, and extra, mostly-unused, battery-draining features piss me off after novelty goes away.

Also not much use on a plane; personally I like to listen to music in-flight, but you can't do that on a phone.

Simon

[GforGroove]

why you guys are getting mad with the ipod thing.. if they are SO CUTE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinkbeltrage/sets/460749/)

... that telephone with itunes is the dorkest thing. btw...

[Ally]

Not at the expense of usability and effectiveness. As before, only the idiot gadget freaks are prepared to sacrifice quality for the sake of saying "look at my Sony P910, it's the r0x0r5!1!!ONE!!11!!!!ELEVEN!!!!".

</unignore>

Simon

Who said anything about sacrificing quality? That's being a bit too presumptuous. Check my first post here:

http://www.dirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=752

I praised the concept but said I wouldn't go for it yet. Then check what I said about distinguishing devices where quality is the prime factor, and devices where portability is the driver.
I never expected you yo be so absolutist about something; "device convergence is for the idiot gadget freaks". Convergence is driven by the need to reduce weight most often, as far as electronics goes it works when the battery can stand up and when the quality is not compromised.
If the need to combine operations within one device was only for idiots do you think the Swiss Army Knife would be so celebrated?

[stimpee]

battery life is a HUGE thing for me about mobiles, and extra, mostly-unused, battery-draining features piss me off after novelty goes away.
BTW, if anyone has a Creative Zen Micro they might want to upgrade the firmware because a problem has been fixed that can halve the battery time (http://www.seiya-subtitles.net/ZenMicroPowerLoss.html) from 12hrs to 6hrs.

If you have the firmware from before June 06, then the unit would wait 24hrs on standby before auto-shutting down after playing an album. This was changed to 4 hours (version 1.10.02) However, the problem wasnt fixed and it would drain the battery if you left the headphones plugged in it would drain the batteries, and this was fixed a month later (v1.11.01). It took Creative 6 months to release a fix for this. One thing they havent fixed is the poor build quality. The headphone jack still comes loose on new Zen models 2 years after being identified as a common problem.

Its stuff like this that makes me avoid Creative. You get what you pay for. Get the firmware fix here (http://www.filemirrors.com/search.src?type=begins&file=ZenMicroPDE_PCFW_LB_1_11_01.exe&action=Find)

I know this is sort of off-topic but I thought if anyone has one of these it might help...

[stimpee]

not unless we can get 60GB flash in the next 2 years. 2GB cards cost a fortune already and the 4GB ones in the new ipod isnt cheap i bet. Under Moore's law, HD capacity doubles every 18 months, so we might be on 16GB in two years if we're lucky.
I take it all back. Read it and weep (http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050912_000100.html).
" Samsung claims it is first to have developed a 16 Gbit NAND Flash memory chip. Built in a 50 nm process, the device sets a new record in the storage density race and could enable memory cards with up to 32 GByte capacity."

[patrick]

BAM!!!!

ya... i have read a few of the articles recently about the monumental leeps in solid state storage... i guess i should have searched and sighted something... anyhow, they just need to figure out speed issues (they are still slower than HD's for doing actual demanding (most computer) work) and we will be set

[GreenPea]

Nice review of the nano on Ars Technica.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/1

[bored]

I have a SPV C500 mobile phone with 2gig of MiniSD whacked into it. Stores enough albums for my likings (twice the size of a shuffle) and it means it's one less device to stuff into my pockets. The headphones bundled are pretty good otherwise you can plug in your own. That new itunes/motorola crap is ridiculous...Sony's new w800i is not bad, but I fuckin hate proprietary formats (memory stick, ms duo)... fuck dont even get me started on the HD-DVD / BlueRay war. I swear this will be another VHS/Betamax saga.

sorry, umm this is a ipod discussion right?

[stimpee]

Nice review of the nano on Ars Technica.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/1
im impressed that it fits in the coin pocket of a pair of jeans. its tiny. makes the PSP next to it look huge!

[Jason Roth]

I just picked it up, and the pictures don't do it justice. It's tiny, and great looking, with a really sharp screen. Headphone jack on the bottom is a little weird though.

[kagenaki koe]

the nano would look good with this discontinued headphone amp :)

http://www.fixup.net/products/pktamp/smini.htm

[GreenPea]

Any of you that have bought one, is this true?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/23/ipod_nano_scratching/

I think I will hold off until the 'new improved version' then.

[Jason Roth]

I've already got a little nick in my screen, but it doesn't really effect viewing all that much. Are they already discussing a new version?

[GreenPea]

I've already got a little nick in my screen, but it doesn't really effect viewing all that much. Are they already discussing a new version?

Nope, but I assume that if it is a problem they'll come up with a new version. Kinda like with the new Gameboy SP.

[stimpee]

Both Belkin and Griffin have already come out with some rather snazzy protective casings for the Nano...

[patrick]

apparantly the brasso stuff that cleans brass works the same (just a really fine sand paper action)

so if you run into this problem, even on your current ipod (or if you awnt to resell any electronics and get a better price cause it is all shinny) then try that maybe...

don't hold me to it, and maybe try it on someone else's first or something (just kidding about somoene elses but y ou know...)

[GreenPea]

Both Belkin and Griffin have already come out with some rather snazzy protective casings for the Nano...

I don't like how it looks though. I rather use no casing...

[groovypanda]

Any of you that have bought one, is this true?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/23/ipod_nano_scratching/

I think I will hold off until the 'new improved version' then.

it appears so (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4286294.stm)

[Ally]

I'm unhappy with this article.


Apple says a manufacturing problem has left screens on one batch vulnerable to cracks and is offering replacements.
Dubious judging by what I've read.


It says the problem affects fewer than a tenth of 1% of all Nanos shipped.
That's still one in one thousand, manufacturing industry standard measurement for defects is ppm - parts per million.