Denver show now at the Fillmore Auditorium

[dirtyatl]

SCRATCH this... just had ticketmast recall the previous email... Anyone know what is going on?

Just got the following email from ticketmaster.

"UNDERWORLD/PAUL OAKENFOLD scheduled at RED ROCK AMPHITHEATRE on FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2007, at 7:30PM, has changed to a new venue. The event will now take place at the FILLMORE AUDITORIUM same time & date."

While bummed they won't be playing Red Rocks I am still excited to see them at the Fillmore. Any ideas why they moved the show? Hopefully they'll keep the outdoor venue in in NY.

See you in Denver.

[dc_04]

or not.. just got another email that the notification has been recalled.

curious, to say the least.

- dc

[graphex]

Yeah, this is really odd. I got both the notification and retraction too, and various ticketmaster/red rocks web sites say different things, including the availability of a $50 underworld/chemical brothers ticket.

If they moved it to the much crappier fillmore, I'm going to be upset.

I called the red rocks box office, and told them about the email and the retraction, and they didn't even know what was going on. Somebody really screwed up. I'm hoping that when they added the chemical bros./underworld combo ticket, they accidentally put underworld at the wrong venue, but that they are still playing red rocks.

My $10.30 convenience charge at work. I hate ticketmaster.

[wesw1a]

If this show moves, I'm considering cancelling my flight.
I mean Underworld at RED ROCKS - THAT's the show to see .
I hope they reconsider this move - if it has been ...

[wesw1a]

DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOLKS - from redrocks online

Saturday, September 08, 2007
UNDERWORLD: MOVED TO FILLMORE AUDITORIUM (http://www.redrocksonline.com/news_details.asp?id=47)
Saturday, September 08, 2007 - Live Nation just announced that UNDERWORLD, originally scheduled to perform at Red Rocks Amphitheatre on Tuesday September 11, will perform at the Fillmore Auditorium.
All tickets for the Red Rocks show will be honored at the Fillmore show. Click on title of this article for more information.

[wesw1a]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU***k

[Jason Roth]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU***k

I wonder what the *** stands for

[botkiller]

Ok - so I just got an email from ticketmaster saying that the UW concert on 9/11 in Denver has been moved to the Filmore Auditorium - but then I got another email saying that their system would like to "recall the message" - I'm seeing all manner of conflicting reports now as to where the concert is, all I'm hoping is that I don't get screwed here, because I was planning on getting to Red Rocks as early as possible to camp out and be front and center for the concert - has anyone else heard anything?

[mr_chip]

This is total bullshit. I've got 5 friends from SF who are flying out specifically to see this show, many of them taking unpaid vacation time. They bought their tickets before the SF shows were announced, and bought airfare, hotel, and rented a car on top of the Underworld tickets.

They could have seen Underworld at a Fillmore-quality venue in San Francisco, but they wanted to see a favorite legendary band at a legendary venue.

As a Denver-area native, I was looking forward to introducing my friends to a piece of my heritage, and now they're just going to see the dump-ass Fillmore and East Colfax hookers instead of the grandeur of a sunset Red Rocks show.

We paid for a Red Rocks show, not a Fillmore show. We should get at least a partial refund. This is total horseshit. My opinion of the band has taken a huge negative hit. I don't care if it's the promoter's fault, the venue's fault, whatever, these are people hired by the band, and ultimately it all goes back to them.

Boo on Underworld for this. They really let the 7 of us way down.

Edit: Seriously, guys, when you fuck someone it's considered polite to ask permission first.

[sanakan]

Boo on Underworld for this. They really let the 7 of us way down.

Edit: Seriously, guys, when you fuck someone it's considered polite to ask permission first.
unless you got any proof that UW requested the change of location (and as i see it, atm nobody knows anything for sure), why not STFU before insulting them?

[mr_chip]

I don't care if it's the promoter's fault, the venue's fault, whatever, these are people hired by the band, and ultimately it all goes back to them.

I applaud your reading comprehension skills good sir.

[graphex]

I agree, mr_chip. The fillmore totally sucks compared to Red Rocks. I also found out that I could have saved about $40 per ticket getting the Underworld/Chemical Brothers combo tickets instead of buying them separately. So not only am I getting fucked by the venue change, I'm getting fucked by the new combo ticket that they won't let me get.

$40 x 3 tickets = $120 I'm getting outright fucked on, plus the fact that they're both at the crappy Fillmore. FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Live Nation, Ticketmaster, fuck you all (especially the latter, but the performers have to take some responsibility for performing where they promised and not fucking over their audience).

-and, yes, I just received an un-retracted Ticketfucker Alert:

Hello, this is Ticketmaster Customer Service with an important alert for your upcoming event. UNDERWORLD/PAUL OAKENFOLD scheduled at RED ROCK AMPHITHEATRE on TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2007, at 7:30PM, has changed to a new venue. The event will now take place at the FILLMORE AUDITORIUM same time & date. Original tickets will be honored for the new venue, or you may obtain a refund by following the instructions below for your applicable delivery method.

If your tickets were sent to you via ticketFast or were being held at the box office Will Call Window, you may request a refund by contacting Ticketmaster Customer Service @

http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/asktm.html

If your tickets were mailed via UPS or regular mail, you may mail your tickets back to:

Ticketmaster
Attention Customer Service
UNDERWORLD/MTN Refund
1000 Corporate Landing
Charleston, WV 25311

Please make a copy of the tickets for your own records before returning the physical tickets in the mail. Include the name & address on the account, your Ticketmaster order number, and a daytime telephone number in case we need to reach you. Ticketmaster is not responsible for tickets that are lost, stolen, or never received in our office. Please note, the $5.10 per order processing fee and any ticketFast or UPS delivery charges are non-refundable.

If you have any questions, please contact us online at:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/asktm.html

Thank you for using Ticketmaster. We appreciate your business!

[sanakan]

I applaud your reading comprehension skills good sir.

still doesn't change my point, does it?

[mr_chip]

Okay, so maybe I'm a little hasty getting mad at the band, but the disappointment in this news is pretty big.

If you're interested in sending out an executive e-mail carpet bomb, here's the list of every address I can find so far for livenation (who appear to be the promoters) and the even remotely possibly applicable addresses from the Friends of Underworld section of the underworldlive site:

inquire@chaotica.com
underworld@thesundayclub.com
press@underworldlive.com
jukes@easynet.co.uk
sales@underworldlive.com
johnvlautin@livenation.com
BusinessIntegrity@LiveNation.com
michaelrapino@livenation.com
alanridgeway@livenation.com
michaelgrowles@livenation.com
thomasjohansson@livenation.com
carlpernow@livenation.com
bryanperez@livenation.com
davidian@livenation.com
leeanngliha@livenation.com

You're much more likely to get results (either a discount on your ticket or an official apology, or some kind of renumeration) by sending a politely worded e-mail to these addresses, than you are by dealing with livenation's crummy RightNow customer service website. This list includes the e-mail addresses of all executive staff at LiveNation, CEOs and Presidents.

Here's the Google Finance chat board for LYN, LiveNation's public trading ticker:
http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.703637/topics

Here's the Yahoo Finance chat board for the same:
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/LYV

If you post intelligently on their financial boards about how they're not able to sell enough tickets to make their commitments to bands or fans, thus lowering their status in the eyes of both, you'll definitely hit them where it hurts. You'll probably also catch the attention of their Investor Relations people, who will definitely be watching those boards, and who will definitely be interested in making it right for you.

Happy hunting.

[dc_04]

i can't put the blame on rick, karl et al.. they aren't the ones doing the bookings.

that said though.... this is a serious disappointment to a LOT of people. and no price refund or any consideration whatsoever to those of us who bought much more expensive tickets? that's terrible.

there's no inclement weather forecast for tuesday, and if the band was having trouble selling seats, the promoters/etc would have known that months ago. and it's not like this is a comparable venue - it's apples and oranges. waiting until 2 days before the gig to announce such a significant venue change is extremely poor form.

- dc

[wesw1a]

I agree with Mr Chip, for the reasons previously stated. This is a HUGE let down, with NO apparent good reason.
Ticket sales maybe?
I'm praying this isn't about money ...
I spent a lot to see Underworld at Red Rocks.

[Professor]

according to the redrocks website, it HAS been moved. fuck that. i made explicit plans to see them and they fucked me. it's the week of my wedding and the ONLY reason i was flying from seattle was because it was at redrocks and the price was right. fuck this shit.

[ndrwrld]

that totally sucks.
im sure UW are a bit bummed ( or they should be )...such a beautiful serene venue, yanked, for an auditorium.
bleh.
sorry to all who are attending.

ps - dont hate too long...IT WASNT CANCELLED...theyre still playing Denver.
check my location for my sadness.

[graphex]

Another couple of contacts with Red Rocks to address your complaints to are:

Red Rocks Staff

Ron Garrison - Questions & Answers
Guest Services Manager
p: 720-865-2477
e: Ron.Garrison@ci.Denver.co.us

Steve Eisenstein
Manager of Events
p: 720-865-2478
e: steve.eisenstein@denvergov.org

[botkiller]

Hey all,

Yeah, I had posted about this recently too - I think we should just be glad either way that they're still playing, I was worried that it was being cancelled when I saw the email.

[stimpee]

People, please calm down. No hate mail please.

If Underworld have not sold enough tickets then they need to switch venues. This happened last year in Helsinki. Don't blame Underworld for this.

[mr_chip]

LiveNation Denver:
(720)
1444 Wazee Street, Suite 222 Denver CO.
List of staff in the company directory:

Perry Lavoisne
Maria Sucker
Peter Orr
Mariah Ketemer
Scott Kanov?
Wendy Walker
Joy Iba
AlexMeyer
Dianne Spina
Jeanette Britchie?
Jennifer Rogers
Sean Oconnell
Michelle Scott
Cody Farkman
Jason Miller


E-mail addresses appear to take the form of firstnameLastname@livenation.com.

[botkiller]

People, please calm down. No hate mail please.

If Underworld have not sold enough tickets then they need to switch venues. This happened last year in Helsinki. Don't blame Underworld for this.
Agreed, stimps. they should have let ME promote it! :P

[dirtyatl]

I hope at this point that rick and karl is reading this or has been made aware of the situation. Hopefully they can stand up to the promoters and request (demand) that the show goes on as planned at Red Rocks. I am sure they themselves know the difference between the venues.

Here's hoping to another recalled email from ticketmaster telling us they fucked up.

Either way I will be there, it will be memorable none the less. Maybe they'll give us a special 3+ hour set?!!??? for all our troubles. Tickets booked, bags are packed. Time to ride the sky waves in search of good vibes.


... and they better not move the fucking NYC show.

[wesw1a]

PS
Getting a "Real" Opening act/band WOULD help ticket sales.
Yeah, Paul is fine ... blah yawn.
I love the band, I still love the band, & always will
but they do have a certain amount of say on such matters ...
And this is a BIG one. A big let down for fans.

[botkiller]

PS thanks for merging threads, guys. I posted mine and didn't see this one :P

[jasdotcom]

AAaaaahhhhgg!!! This is TWICE (in a row) that I've flown out of Seattle for an outdoor UW show and have been disappointed. The last time was when they played in N.J. at Giants stadium....now THIS! This one is hurting a lot more for some reason.

Of course I'm not gonna cancel my travel plans (flight, hotel, car) but DAMN! Why can't these promoters get it together?!?

BTW: The Red Rocks site says that ticket prices will remain the same. $50 at the door. The ONLY thing that I'm hoping comes out of this would be to have the Chems open instead of Crapenfold. The only info on that is what I've gleaned off this thread. I'll go check the relative sites in a sec. For now: "Hey S.F. folks! Wanna party?" :-)

[wesw1a]

I hope at this point that rick and karl is reading this or has been made aware of the situation. Hopefully they can stand up to the promoters and request (demand) that the show goes on as planned at Red Rocks. I am sure they themselves know the difference between the venues.

Here's hoping to another recalled email from ticketmaster telling us they fucked up.

[mr_chip]

5 minutes of online research reveal that LiveNation Denver just had all their top staff headhunted away by Regal Promotions group, and LiveNation is ending their relationship with Ticketmaster in 2008. If you want to post a message on their discussion board on Yahoo discussing these items in the context of their inability to maintain venue commitments in the Denver market, you'll hit them where it hurts the most.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/LYV

[jasdotcom]

Much props, Mr. Chip! I'll certainly be using the work you've just done to voice my opinion. Livenation can suck it.

[mr_chip]

Please, please keep your communication civil. You're much more likely to get results with politely worded, rational messages than you are with "OH MY GOD YOU SUCK!!!" venting like what I pulled back on page 1.

[graphex]

I think a great way to drive sales for concert tickets is to schedule a performance at Red Rocks, and then switch the venue 3 days before the show to something less desirable. The classic bait-and-switch. What a shill...

I got my tickets in April, and was looking forward to Red Rocks all summer. I feel conned. If they weren't going to fill the venue and had to change, that is great, but tell us sooner. Give us time to get a refund, to reschedule. If I would have found this out last week, I'd send my tickets back for both Underworld and Chemical Brothers, get the refund, and buy the combo ticket. $50 for two concerts at the Fillmore is acceptable, but getting conned into spending $82 for tickets + $18.80 in fees is criminal.

And yes, I sound much more professional when I contact non-fans than here. I think you fans can handle venting better than, say 9 news tiplines. Whoever posted to the Yahoo financial site did well too.

Doubt the band is going to read this stuff... aren't they performing right now? They might read something tomorrow. I doubt there is anything they could do, other than rock the house especially hard on Tuesday. Or free t-shirts.

[Professor]

fuck them. fuck red rocks. fuck livenation.

i'm done.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

The Fillmore's not bad though. Excellent sound system. There's oodles of room to dance, why you could bring some cardboard boxes and be able to windmill.

[txjaxx]

i've dreamed of Underworld at Red Rocks for years now. i almost planned a special mid-week vacation for it too. glad i didn't.

the worst part i see about this is no reason being given for the switch? i'm dying to know why it was switched. the Fillmore is not a small place by any means, so i can't imagine ticket sales would be an issue.

[darktrain]

i hope no one is feeling hostility towards rick+karl for this...because remember, it could be much worse:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0736,westhoff,77680,22.html

[mr_chip]

Well, that was fast. Just got this back from the CEO of livenation:

Sorry to hear your disappointment about the venue change - I am not close enough to this one to know why so I have cc J____ G_____ who is our president of North America and he will look into and get you the proper answer.
As the promoter we work for the band - we don’t change venues unless the band, the manager, agent and promoter have all discussed and agreed the chance is needed.

I will let J____ and our local Denver team provide more clarity. We work for the artist and fan sorry you are disappointed I will gladly refund your tickets if this show no longer appeals to you

Which nicely sidesteps the "Hey, my friends are flying in from fucking San Francisco to see this, how are you going to make it right to them?" issue I raised in my civil e-mail to him, but shows that someone is listening at LiveNation. It'll be interesting to watch the blame get passed around, I'll keep you guys posted.

[botkiller]

Is the word actually that the Chemical Brothers could be there? I thought they weren't playing Denver until sept. 20 or so...

[botkiller]

i hope no one is feeling hostility towards rick+karl for this...because remember, it could be much worse:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0736,westhoff,77680,22.html

This was an interesting article. I remember hearing people tell me that when I saw Daft Punk, I was just seeing two guys playing them on stage. I don't think that DP would do that - to have such a massive stage setup and not show up to play themselves would just be silly - but with someone like MF Doom, it almost seems like he's just playing a part, and his fans are his audience. If he did do all of what this article says, that's just wack. You have to always, always remember that your fans are damn important. I'm glad that UW has always done a lot for their fans. I'm sure we'll still get a rocking show at the Filmore.

[energetik]

This is an e-mail that I have just sent to everyone listed on the 2nd page of this thread. I am so unhappy right now. :(


An Open Letter to the management, organizers, and promoters of the Red Rocks / Underworld event.

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing to you to voice my extreme displeasure about the recent venue change for the upcoming Underworld show. I boarded a plane today at 4:51PM on the very Southern border, at the tip of Texas, to fly to Denver to have one very special and memorable night: seeing Underworld perform at Red Rocks.

I have never been to the Red Rocks amphitheater, I have only heard the stories and the “oh my God’s” when referring to the memories that are made there. I have never seen Underworld live. I have been following the group for such a long time, that I can’t even remember. As a DJ and event producer for the past 11 years, I understand whole heartedly about venue change. However, to move this show to another location takes away a great deal of the “Experience” that goes along with the entire event; at least for me.

When I first heard about this show, I looked at the tour dates and had only two options in my mind. I had never been to Red Rocks, and I have never been to Central Park. Both places were being saved for an extremely special occasion. This was, and is, that occasion. The event at its scheduled setting, was to be such a spectacular combination of music and venue, that it captured the hearts of so many music lovers from my home state. I personally was eager to share this experience with a dear friend, who’s flight arrives at my expense, tomorrow morning. There is a caravan of friends on their way here from Austin this weekend as well. Now, it seems, that this special occasion will be transformed into nothing more than a normal event, inside some over crowded venue, with a lack of atmosphere that I was eagerly awaiting.

I cannot gather the words to express my discontent. I hope that whatever reason this decision was made, that it is an extremely good one, and not just financial.
This has, without a doubt, cast a shadow on what was to be, and hopefully still might be, a defining moment in my love and passion of electronic music.

Also posted at:
http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showthread.php?t=6562


Drew L.
(contact info not posted in forum)

[Cranks]

What the hell? I just arrived in Denver, get to the hotel and check my email and then I get this! I'm excited to see Underworld live again, but come on, like a lot of us are posting, we made special arrangements to see UW @ Red Rocks. A lot of us made the choice to make the trip out here to see them at Red Rocks because we believed it was going to be a magical night and something special to experience. We purchased airline tix's, hotel and rental car months ago. I heard the explanation that they didn't sell enough tickets, that's lame. You don't change venues 3 days before the show.

I'm seriously hoping that it will be changed back to Red Rocks. I doubt it will, LiveNation wants to make as much money as they can and they probably feel they can do that by moving it to the Fillmore.

[beh]

I heard the explanation that they didn't sell enough tickets, that's lame. You don't change venues 3 days before the show.

I feel sorry for you guys. they didn't even come close to selling out 1/2 (probably not even 1/3) of the Warfield for show #2 (upstairs was roped off... closed, and atleast one bar closed downstairs), but they still played and gave it their all, I was down front, jumping around like a mad man with the rest of 'em.

but the lack of people really didn't matter, we rocked out, rocked out hard!

bh

[dubman]

YEAH!
FUCK UNDERWORLD!
THEY SHOULD COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND GIVE YOU THEIR ADIDAS SHOES TO MAKE UP FOR IT!
OH GOD YOURE SO PISSED OFF THAT THE BAND MUST BE RESPONSIBLE IN SOME WAY FOR DOING THIS!
TO YOU!
PERSONALLY!

fucking hell.

[idoru]

After lurking for a good year now this might be as good a time as any to finally post...

I chose the Denver event, like most of you, because it was at Red Rocks. I'd originally planned on going to the Hollywood Bowl until I saw this event listed. I knew Red Rocks was historic, the pictures I looked at were amazing and the video from when the Chemical Brothers played there were enough to make any Underworld fan wet themselves with excitement. Am I disappointed that it's not going to be there? You bet your ass I am. Do I understand that yeah, shit happens, and sometimes stuff like this is out of our control? Sure.

And think about it this way, if tickets didn't sell anywhere near enough at Red Rocks, then isn't that a good thing? If I wanted to have a mindblowing experience there, I'd want to turn around and see thousands of fans cheering and going nuts, not turn around and see seventy-five percent of the stadium empty. Plus the Fillmore allows us to get nice and close to the whole experience. There's a plus to everything, and there's no need to go out and try to maim the boys for it.

There's another reason the Denver show is special to me, aside from the venue. My dad is a huge music fan, and a total Springsteen whore. When I was 12 he took me to Denver to see him play. It was just my dad and I, on a trip for three days. We had tickets to the second night, but camped out the first day for tickets for the first night and I got to be on TV in the process. We had a blast, and we stuck around afterwards and I met the Boss himself, which really made my dad happy. I invited my dad to come along, because Underworld means as much to me as Springsteen to him, and given that it's Denver the whole trip means something special to the both of us. So Red Rocks or Fillmore, I really don't care at this point. We'll still be front and center, and we'll still have a great time.

I feel sorry for you guys. they didn't even come close to selling out 1/2 (probably not even 1/3) of the Warfield for show #2 (upstairs was roped off... closed, and atleast one bar closed downstairs), but they still played and gave it their all, I was down front, jumping around like a mad man with the rest of 'em.

but the lack of people really didn't matter, we rocked out, rocked out hard!

bh

I think the problem with that was how good of a job LiveNation and everybody did at not promoting it. Maybe I'm just missing everything, but I've seen zero advertising for the whole tour outside of UWLive and other music forums. Plus the Warfield show was announced much sooner than any of the other shows. It feels like the only people who know about the shows are the more hardcore of fans.
________
VOLCANO DIGITAL REVIEW (http://vaporizer.org/reviews/volcano)

[sadie679]

Perhaps you are all way off beam and ur USA gov is to blame - tues 11th Sept - Osama video released Friday - here in UK music venues have recently been prime targets for terrorist activity, altho such attempts have thankfully been foiled by our special ops - indoor venues are much easier to secure and control than outdoor spaces - you might have just been saved from some untold carnage....

In the UK seeing electronic music indoors is prized far more highly for the intensity involved, than outdoor open spaces, no matter how picuresque..... Give the guys a break, get with the program and be thankful that they've taken the trouble to grace your country with their inimitable presence - Moaners right enuff!

'When guests come, it is important to see them' ancient Zen saying

sadie679 - Thinking outside the bar

[energetik]

First off, I am not trying to blame UW for this at all. Usually it is a promoter or producers idea to do something like this. The problem that I see, as one person on MySpace put it, is that "this is no ordinary venue change." A gigantic part of the lure of this is Red Rocks.

I do, however, see the point of having a venue at 35% and turning around to see empty seats. Nevertheless, the awe that Red Rocks brings on it's on can overcome that obstacle.

For those that have not seen it:
http://www.coloradohomeseller.com/RedRocks.JPEG
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/13/redrocks_wideweb__430x315.jpg
http://www.ninastorey.com/photos/redrocks.7.13.02/Nina%20RedRocks0010.JPG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5W2OsKPH0

[Professor]

i don't give a shit who's fault it is. changing a show from RED ROCKS to a ho-hum auditorium in FUCKING DENVER is just fucking stupid. just fucking stupid. the band absolutely had a hand in the decision, the promoters absolutely didn't promote well enough and the whole entitiy that is underworld has let me PERSONALLY down. fuck off dubman. it's personal. a lot of us made explicit plans to go to denver BECAUSE it was at REDROCKS. why in hell else would i fucking fly to denver? why the fucking hell else would they PLAY in goddamned denver?? not playing vancouver, or seattle, or austin? it's fucking big business bullshit and i'm not impressed. i'm not going. i am getting married on the 15th and the decision to actually FLY OUT OF TOWN the week of my wedding was a particularly dificult one... but it was REDROCKS! 'the show of the year' for me... there's just no way i can justify flying to denver otherwise. i'll eat the plane tix. i've canceled my hotel and i'll be sending my show tix back. i'm totally fucking pissed off and i won't forget this.

[wesw1a]

Crocodile is a masterpiece. Underworld is a genius band.
But I'm 10 x more pissed off today than I was yesterday about the
unfair & false advertising element of the bait & switch venue change.
Pissed off enought to cancel my trip.

What a dissapointment they've caused for so many.
If this was a typical guitar band tour, who tours all the time & everywhere, it would be different.
But it's NOT!

Shame on somebody. And somebody ELSE should grab the reigns &
demand this show take place where it was advertised.
cancelling 3 days before a show is inexcusable & possibly illegal.
Looks like we're ALL losing money. All of us not from Denver anyway.
I guess screw all of us who made major complicated & expensive
plans to see Underworld at this amazing historic venue.

What a shame & an embarrasment for Underworld.
Not to mention bad press ...

[aaron5000]

i don't give a shit who's fault it is. changing a show from RED ROCKS to a ho-hum auditorium in FUCKING DENVER is just fucking stupid. just fucking stupid. the band absolutely had a hand in the decision, the promoters absolutely didn't promote well enough and the whole entitiy that is underworld has let me PERSONALLY down. fuck off dubman. it's personal. a lot of us made explicit plans to go to denver BECAUSE it was at REDROCKS. why in hell else would i fucking fly to denver? why the fucking hell else would they PLAY in goddamned denver?? not playing vancouver, or seattle, or austin? it's fucking big business bullshit and i'm not impressed. i'm not going. i am getting married on the 15th and the decision to actually FLY OUT OF TOWN the week of my wedding was a particularly dificult one... but it was REDROCKS! 'the show of the year' for me... there's just no way i can justify flying to denver otherwise. i'll eat the plane tix. i've canceled my hotel and i'll be sending my show tix back. i'm totally fucking pissed off and i won't forget this.

Quite often bands don't have as much say as one may think. You truly think they have the time to worry about every venue they play at? Their job is to solely show up and put on a good show. That's all anyone should ever care about. It doesn't matter if it's a small bar in Mexico or the Opera House in Sydney. What it all comes down to is the music, and the quality of the sound. If you can't block everything else that may be around then the band/group isn't doing enough to keep you entertained.

Stop being petty.

[wesw1a]

>>It doesn't matter if it's a small bar in Mexico or the Opera House in Sydney. What it all comes down to is the music, and the quality of the sound.


Stop being petty.[/quote]

----------------------------------------------
Yes it does matter. I take it you weren't flying in to see your first show at Red Rocks ..

[Cadevil]

In '03 the boys were switched from Bill Graham Civic Aud. to the Fillmore in San Francisco...not quite the same thing I know, but perhaps it has to do with ticket sales...Is there a major difference in size between RR and Fillmore Denver? I would bet UW have no say in this.

[gambit]

Red Rocks holds about 9000 people. The Fillmore apparently houses about a third of that. This is bullshit. They should've hired Daft Punk's promoters. Red Rocks was PACKED for Daft Punk in July.

Everyone has the right to be pissed off at this. I'm pissed off at this, but not so much since Denver is the closest place to me to see them, and I'm more interested in seeing Underworld than Red Rocks. Still I wouldn't go so far to tell Underworld, the band, to go "Fuck off" for this because I doubt Rick and Karl had much of a say about this. I just wish an explanation was given for the venue change.

[gambit]

Could be worse, I suppose. We had a total ticket fiasco in Montana (http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/09/06/news/state/30-john.txt) over Elton John tickets.

[jasdotcom]

In '03 the boys were switched from Bill Graham Civic Aud. to the Fillmore in San Francisco...not quite the same thing I know, but perhaps it has to do with ticket sales...Is there a major difference in size between RR and Fillmore Denver? I would bet UW have no say in this.

Hmmm...come to think of it, I flew to THAT show too! That makes the last 3 times I've seen them - they've had last minute venue changes. I'm apparently jinxed.

It's plain bad promoting, people. Nothing else. No-one else is to blame but the ones in charge of this production. First they screw up by not winding people up enough to sell enough tix for Red Rocks...that means they're not good at their job. But to wait until NOW to change venues means they are dishonest theives, both for the promises they must have made to UW & for the low low 'bait and switch' thrown at us right now.

[gambit]

They also needed to book a better opening act than Oakenfold. Jesus, I do not look forward to tolerating his set.

[one4house]

I think these should be added to the mix:
team underworld

management geoff jukes
jukes productions
jukes@easynet.co.uk


http://www.jukesproductions.co.uk/

mike gillespie
the sunday club
underworld@thesundayclub.com
http://www.thesundayclub.com/


live bookings
cris hearn
primary talent
cris@primary.uk.com

(world ex. usa) http://www.primary.uk.com/

gerry gerrard chaotica inc.
inquire@chaotica.com
(usa/mexico/canada/carribean) http://www.chaotica.com/

[Techno_Bunny]

I can totally understand you guys are very upset about the change of venue, it must be a real bummer for Underworld too! I think they were looking forward to playing at the Red Rock themselves very much.
On the boards people have been asking for a US tour for years, and now the second night at the Warfield was rather empty??? and not enough tickets sold for Red Rocks... :(

I was going to go to a gig at Gelsenkirchen, Germany a few years ago and that gig was cancelled, so be glad at least you'll have your gig, and please stop using this forum for such negative actions as calls for emailbombardments.

[wesw1a]

I can totally understand you guys are very upset about the change of venue, it must be a real bummer for Underworld too! I think they were looking forward to playing at the Red Rock themselves very much.
On the boards people have been asking for a US tour for years, and now the second night at the Warfield was rather empty??? and not enough tickets sold for Red Rocks... :(

I was going to go to a gig at Gelsenkirchen, Germany a few years ago and that gig was cancelled, so be glad at least you'll have your gig, and please stop using this forum for such negative actions as calls for emailbombardments.


This situation IS different.
Are we supposed to just sit quietly & do nothing?

You can't do this to people at the 11th hour ...

[Techno_Bunny]

aren't emailbombardments illegal by the way?

[wesw1a]

I personally emailed those involved with my thoughts.
Nothing illegal about that.

[Techno_Bunny]

This situation IS different.
Are we supposed to just sit quietly & do nothing?

You can't do this to people at the 11th hour ...

It's ok to express your opinion, positive or negative, but what people are doing in this thread, goes beyond that.

[wesw1a]

goes beyond that how? I don't want to bicker, but people are rightfully pissed off & they're complainung about it.
Where are you flying in from?

I agree, management, but promoters mostly, are more to blame than the band, HOWEVER. The buck does stop with them & their management.

Oakenfold should have NEVER been the opener - for a venue that large
or any other venue ...

[Techno_Bunny]

if you knew a bit about the band, you'ld know they're not in it for the money.
I don't know what was the cause for the change, and i am really sorry for those who looked forward to seeing them in such a wonderful venue, i would be in tears myself, but calling for emailbombs goes way beyond expressing disappointment.

[wesw1a]

I know quite a bit about the band. I met them. They played at my club, & I know how things work. The reason for the change is obvious. Otherwise, they would have said why.
I'm not expressing disappointment, We're expressing outrage ofv the way this disaster was handled from beginning to end.

ANYWAY
I'm a bit tired though of all this now, at this hour, I think it's pointless.
so I THINK i'm done here.
I'm going to go listen to some Underworld ...
What's done is done ... unless any of this helped them reconsider - miracles DO happen.

[Techno_Bunny]

i hope a miracle does happen for you, i'll keep my toes crossed ;)

[foxlake]

To Underworld : Come back in France ! you are the welcome, you can fill our small concerts halls no problem ! :D

More seriously, I am sorry for you the guys, and I hope that you will find a solution, but I don't think that Underworld is responsible. BUT, in that case, it' s unacceptable that live promoters, accustomed to this type of shows, do not anticipate the deficient sale of tickets and anticipate this type of disappointments.

it's not correct to spit so fast on underworld, without explanation of their part. especially when we know the respect for the fans from U.W.;)

[chimp]

We are very sorry about the change of venue for the Denver show and even more sorry about how the news has been broken.
It's come as a surprise and bitter disappointment to us also - it's been a dream to play Red Rocks for many many years.

The bottom line is that ticket sales for the Red Rocks show have been poor and for weeks we've been assured that sales would pick-up and that the show would go on. At this point we're unclear as to why, but at the end of the day we were not presented with any choice. It is disappointing to say the least, and responsibility for an honest explanation falls to us - but all those who purchased tickets and in some cases are planning long journeys to make this show are due some sort of explanation.

Thank you for your words of support.

[wesw1a]

Well that's a start, thank you.
Ok then, how 'bout a three hour show !

[gambit]

I know this is going to sound stupid and rude, and really, I don't mean it to be like that, but did you guys promote this in the Denver area? For instance, my dad is an assistant manager for a big supermarket store in my town, and they've occasionally done special one day mega sales where things like cereal (among other items) are dirt cheap for one night only. And they've hardly done any promotion for it except for a couple radio ads. So no surprise when no one shows up.

I'm wondering what kind of promotion was done in the Denver area. Daft Punk filled up Red Rocks, which can be partially if not wholly attributed to their Coachella performance, and I know from a friend that other DJs fill it up too. The Global Dance Festival regularly fills it up every year, so it's not like there's a lack of interest in electronic music in the Denver area. I know it sounds like I'm being stupid and rude, but I am honestly curious.

[dubman]

the band absolutely had a hand in the decision, the promoters absolutely didn't promote well enough and the whole entitiy that is underworld has let me PERSONALLY down. fuck off dubman.
you fuck off.
it's amazing how the tons of sympathy i've had for your situation is just flying out the window because you're yelling, cancelling, abandoning and cursing everything in sight before peep one from the underworld camp. you feel fucked so obviously it must have been a bait and switch underworld was privy to. never mind that they might be just as disappointed because no one bought tickets. never mind that tons of people who were setting this up were disappointed and saddened as well, it was your wedding week.
the warfield and fillmore here in SF arent the best either. it's got a small floor so it feels allright, but a lot of standing room is taken by fucking tables and the crowds have to be pushed from here to kingdom come to get moving, but the soundsystem is great and it's still underworld at the controls, so a complete cancellation/email bomb/blood vendetta because it's not a legendary venue is, at the end of the day, really petty.

i know i'm being a dick and crapping on people who already feel beat down about this, but how fucking badly are you missing the big picture if you launch into this because there isnt as much eye candy than you were looking forward to?

[aaron5000]

FRANKIE SAY RELAX

[mr_chip]

Just got an e-mail from LiveNation Denver's head honcho. He basically says that LiveNation didn't sell enough tickets to fill Red Rocks, and they wanted a full venue. He spends some time establishing his street cred. He totally sidesteps the fact that my friends all paid big bucks and are making long journeys to come here, but offers an in-person apology.

I have received your correspondence regarding the change in venue for the upcoming Underworld show in Denver. First and foremost, please accept my sincere and heartfelt apologies for the inconvenience and disappointment this has caused you. Our top priority is to always deliver a first-class concert experience to you, our patrons. As a company, we take very seriously our responsibility to give both the artists and the fans nothing less than the best.

Live Nation is privileged to book shows at this one-of-a-kind amphitheatre and truly understand what a magical and unique venue it is. At the same time, being both a huge fan of Underworld and having attended countless shows as both producer and patron, A tough decision had to be made in order to preserve the integrity of an event such as an Underworld show.

The decision to move the show away from Red Rocks was extremely difficult for all parties. After much deliberation all parties agreed that seeing Underworld in any venue without the energy, the crowd-noise and the excitement is simply not the Underworld experience. Moving the show to The Fillmore would allow the band to bring the most electrifying show possible with a full-house of fans going absolutely nuts. At the end of the day, fulfilling this promise is the ultimate goal of Underworld and of Live Nation.

As concert promoters as well as fans (I was involved in promoting the DEMF in Detroit the first 2 years and the Delta Heavy Tour with Sasha and Digweed and S---- K---- the Denver Marketing VP worked at Asterlwerks for years), we are firmly committed to promoting unique and diverse events. I would truly appreciate the chance to speak further. It is my goal to keep you excited about the show and confident in Live Nation’s ability to deliver a quality experience.

Again, on behalf of myself, S---- K----, and the Denver office our deepest apologies for this unfortunate situation. I booked this show as a promoter and a fan with every intention of it being a special event for everyone. I do hope to get the opportunity to be your gracious hosts on Tuesday at the Fillmore and would love to make your experience there memorable, if your inclined please ask for me when you arrive. Despite all the disappointment, one thing I know for sure is that Underworld will blow the roof off the place and I want you to be there.

My Sincere Apology

[wesw1a]

He ( Mr. Pres of LN) should have predicted this,
sucked it up, taken the loss he created by not promoting well
or adding a decent opener.
Instead, we take the loss.
Way to go Clear Channel (again)
A despicable response.
He makes it sound like we're getting a better deal.

I feel for the band, though I'm sure they'll perform their hearts out for us & themselves as well ...
I hope they never work with these "folks" again.

[BrotherLovesDub]

after seeing underworld rock a half full venue in junkie alley san francisco, im absolutely thrilled to get the chance to see them up close in another small venue. The band are playing great sets and sound fantastic. I bet they rock the Fillmore Tuesday night. Seeing underworld is my primary concern. Pretty rocks come later.

[gambit]

Well, Red Rocks only filled a third of the way would've sucked a bunch of energy out of the show, especially if everyone scattered. It would've looked and felt kinda ridiculous. So to some degree, yes, I can understand this. I don't like it, but no amount of bitching and moaning is going to change this (unless of course they sell another 5,000 tickets by Monday).

I think I'm siding with dubman now. Yes, I'm pissed, but fuck, at least they're still putting on the show. It is still UNDERWORLD.

[Cranks]

Well, I'm still dissapointed in the change of venue, but I'm not going to let it ruin my trip. Ultimately it's about seeing Underworld live in concert, which is still happening. I'd be way pissed off if the show was cancelled for some reason. When the Red Rocks show was first announced I contacted a few Dirts in Colorado and decided that the Red Rocks show was the way to go. I bought tix's for the show, bought a plane ticket and booked a hotel.

So I'm out here in Denver and enjoying myself. Went out to the Garden of the Gods today, took some cool pics, did a little hiking. Still psyched for the show on Tuesday night, I'm sure UW is going to try and make up for all the headaches. At least the crowd is going to be full of 'dirts' having a good time. Luckily I'm still on for the Central Park & Boston show, but honestly, the Red Rocks show was the one I was most looking forward to.

Hope to meet up with ya guys on Tuesday. Now I have to figure out where the hell the Fillmore is. see ya.

[dubman]

junkie alley is right. just one block up it's all bloomingdales and expensive shoe places, but the warfield is a hub of HAVE YOU GOT A DOLLAR COME ON MAN YOU TELLING ME YOU DONT HAVE A DOLLAR.

tho honestly i can't tell which is worse. bloomingdales is pretty fucking terrifying. there's no life there. soul get sucked into the top floor vaccuum as everything becomes more spotless and bland riche.

sorry, i live in a cowtown.

[swillhite]

Here's a little news on the upside of things: the current weather reports are "PM rain" (9news) and "60% chance of thunderstorms" (weather.com). My regards to anyone who hasn't seen a show at Red Rocks, it's a wonderful experience. But in my case I'm OK with a little smaller, and drier, show. I look forward to seeing you all there.

willy

www.myspace.com/thenightowl (http://www.myspace.com/thenightowl)

[botkiller]

I agree with Brotherdub. I'm gonig to see Underworld, no matter what. The venue would be nice - but for me, this is a religious experience. I've been waiting for well over ten years to see UW live. As long as I get front and freaking center, and dance like a maniac for the whole set, that's all I want.

Oh, and maybe, just maybe, a killer rendition of Juanita and Cherry pie :)

[Professor]

dubman, it was rude of me to swear at you. true. i'm sorry about that. it's totally stupid to actually vent on a forum anyway. i'm sourly dissapointed and won't be going. they could have easily played vancouver instead of denver. the ONLY point in going to denver was to see them at red rocks. it's pretty rocks, sure, but that was a really HUGE deal making that decision. my response was reactionary, and i appologize. i didn't really mean to attack you, but i'm pretty upset.

[mmm skyscraper]

Maybe they'll play 'til the venue cuts the power.

[stimpee]

i'm not going. i am getting married on the 15th and the decision to actually FLY OUT OF TOWN the week of my wedding was a particularly dificult one... but it was REDROCKS! 'the show of the year' for me... there's just no way i can justify flying to denver otherwise. i'll eat the plane tix. i've canceled my hotel and i'll be sending my show tix back. i'm totally fucking pissed off and i won't forget this.I can understand that you are angry and pissed off. but when are you going to ge the chance to see Underworld? It could have been a lot worse. The gig could have been cancelled. You should just swallow your pride and just go anyway.
dubman, it was rude of me to swear at you. true. i'm sorry about that. it's totally stupid to actually vent on a forum anyway. i'm sourly dissapointed and won't be going. they could have easily played vancouver instead of denver. the ONLY point in going to denver was to see them at red rocks. it's pretty rocks, sure, but that was a really HUGE deal making that decision. my response was reactionary, and i appologize. i didn't really mean to attack you, but i'm pretty upset.im glad youre seeing some sense in apologising. but you should really reconsider and GO to the gig. youre talking as if the venue is more important than the band.We are very sorry about the change of venue for the Denver show and even more sorry about how the news has been broken.
It's come as a surprise and bitter disappointment to us also - it's been a dream to play Red Rocks for many many years.

The bottom line is that ticket sales for the Red Rocks show have been poor and for weeks we've been assured that sales would pick-up and that the show would go on. At this point we're unclear as to why, but at the end of the day we were not presented with any choice. It is disappointing to say the least, and responsibility for an honest explanation falls to us - but all those who purchased tickets and in some cases are planning long journeys to make this show are due some sort of explanation.

Thank you for your words of support.thanks for the official response. If the ticket numbers are low then your only option is to go with a smaller venue. Its that or cancel. I'll be there at Central Park... i hope nothing bad happens that stops that from happening! (I've flown half way round the world for this...) :)

[dubman]

dubman, it was rude of me to swear at you. true. i'm sorry about that. it's totally stupid to actually vent on a forum anyway. i'm sourly dissapointed and won't be going. they could have easily played vancouver instead of denver. the ONLY point in going to denver was to see them at red rocks. it's pretty rocks, sure, but that was a really HUGE deal making that decision. my response was reactionary, and i appologize. i didn't really mean to attack you, but i'm pretty upset.
obviously with my own outburst i'm well familiar with knee-jerk reactions, so i also should have been more understanding. because i understand that sort of disappointment and it takes me a couple of hours/days to get the right perspective, but during that time it's way tempting to vent somewhere, anywhere.
it just that the actual group was dragged in there, and i had JUST come back from the 2nd warfield show
in hindsight it was a bad set of circumstances.
so i apologize too.

HUGZ.

buuuuuut... you should go.
you havent canceled yet right?

[swillhite]

Red Rocks Sucks. The walk from the parking lot to the seating is like climbing Everest, it always rains, the wind blows 120 miles per hour, there's always some guy who pukes behind you and runs down on your seat, the high altitude makes the performers too tired to put on a good show, there's too many hippies from Boulder, and you always get pulled over on the way home. I'm glad they moved the show.... ;)

willy
www.myspace.com/thenightowl (http://www.myspace.com/thenightowl)

[Floating Dave]

it's a great shame when things like this happen but the bottom line is that the promoter is responsible.

In theory anyone can be a promoter. You can ring up a band's manager and say "I want Underworld to play at the Hollywood Bowl on 25th May 2009. How much?"

The manager would see if the band were interested ("wow, the Hollywood bowl eh - that's fantastic") and if so they'd come back with a price. Let's say $60k to cover their time, travel, crew etc

The promoter would then ring the Hollywood Bowl and say "I need to hire the venue on 25th May 2009. How much?"

"That'll be $300,000"

They've then got to do the math (18000 capacity @ $30 a ticket = $540,000 less $300,000 and $60,000) "Awesome", he thinks, I can make $180,000 on a gig.

Of course he has to actually 'promote' it and some inexperienced or greedy promoters might think "Fuck it, I'll do 95% of it via the fan base - viral marketing is cheap and effective enough. Then I'll spend $50k on some other bits and I'll still walk away with $120-$130k."

As the date looms the band will be asking "How's ticket sales?" thinking that everything is in hand. The promoter's reply will be "Great" (largely because all promoters only talk in superlatives and only tell people what they want to hear), so the band will be totally in the dark until the 11th hour when the promoter does the math again and realises "Holy shit, i've only sold 4000 tickets"

So that's overheads of $360,00 + inadequate marketing of $50k = $410,000
Less the sales of 4000 tickets @ $30 = $120,000
Leaving a grand loss of $290,000

"Oh shit" cue call to band management to say "Huston we have a problem"

This stuff always happens at the 11th hour and the band will be incredibly pissed-off about the whole affair and as such the chances of working with/for that promoter again will be somewhere between nil and zero because not only has the promoter proved themelves inept, they've also pissed-off the one thing that's most valuable to any band - their fans.

The promoter, having been given a rocket up his ass, would run round like a headless chicken and find an alternative venue with lower overheads and a smaller capacity and will offer the band an alternative (say, The House Of Blues). The band, seeing a way of not letting down their fans will decide to go with it and try and make the best of a bad job - after all they've planned to be in this area anyway.

Afterwards, if the promoter has any decency, he'll skulk off to work in a burger bar. Otherwise, he'll probably set up a record company ;)

[big screen satellite]

i am so sorry to all those who wanted to see UW at Red Rocks, i really am, but i am pleased UW decied to relocate... it was obviously a big last minute decision to make, but most probably the right one in the light of day....

there are several issues here...

but simply the main one is that Underworld are, imo, no longer big enough to play these types of venues in the USA. I appreciate that there are thousands of UW fans out there and in the US, but i think a band that has not released any new /mainstream material in 5 years would struggle to fill a venue like Red Rocks now... (maybe after the new album drops, but before...mmm)

Underworld are still pretty large and influential in Europe, but even then i think they would stuggle to headline a number of large venues, even in this country... they sell out over here mainly because the venues they take on are small intermate and, again imo, better suited to the UW set up.

i just wonder if their stock in the US has fallen - the hard core fans will always show up, and it must have been those who bought the tix, but the harsh reality of it is, is that Underworld are just not that big a draw in the USA...

i know the guys in the US will state that there are plenty of fans, but thats simply not the case... otherwise this event would be on (ie. sold out) ... logistically it costs a great deal to tour the US, and I know Underworld will themselves personally be pissed off by this

i'm not blaming anyone except the promoters, but i think the last time UW played in the US they were a bigger proposition and more popular than they are now... its sad, but i think probably the truth, especially where the US is concerned

(note: i base none of this on actual fact, but speculation and the reality that they have not sold enough tickets for this one event)

i'm glad you guys are getting to see one of the best bands of the 90's still touring, so wherever they play enjoy it... its a long way to come and play, and they love you - so don't hate, you know you love them still - its just the fickle fans from years back who've lost the love that have caused this set back.

[Scott Warner]

This stuff always happens at the 11th hour and the band will be incredibly pissed-off about the whole affair and as such the chances of working with/for that promoter again will be somewhere between nil and zero because not only have they proved themelves inept, they've also pissed-off the one thing that's most valuable to any band - their fans.
That's an understatement in this situation. The guys are very upset about it. They basically had two options: relocate or cancel.
but simply the main one is that Underworld are, imo, no longer big enough to play these types of venues in the USA.
Depends on the region, really. They packed the Hollywood Bowl last night and that's a fairly large venue with a lot of history. In Los Angeles Underworld have established themselves as great live performers via their individual gigs and two Coachella stage headlining performances so there's likely to always be a sizeable, promotable audience here despite the ebb and flow in popular music.

[big screen satellite]

That's an understatement in this situation. The guys are very upset about it. They basically had two options: relocate or cancel.

Depends on the region, really. They packed the Hollywood Bowl last night and that's a fairly large venue with a lot of history. In Los Angeles Underworld have established themselves as great live performers via their individual gigs and two Coachella stage headlining performances so there's likely to always be a sizeable, promotable audience here despite the ebb and flow in popular music.

yeah i guess it does depend, support for this kind of act, will certainly vary from state to state... the US is hooj... and has varied musical tastes from area to area...

UW are probably less popular in certain parts of this country (the UK) and parts of Europe too, than others....

i just wonder though, if their popularity has wained since the last tour... they have been, to quote a well know track, 'underneath the radar' of a lot of people for quite a while now...

i certainly wish they do well in the US, and the HW Bowl show looked rammed so, who knows, i probably don't!!!

i just hope the Denver issue doesn't blight the tour experience...

[BrotherLovesDub]

number of shows in america in last ten years vs. size of america

number of shows in europe in last ten years vs. size of europe

it's clear why they're more popular in europe.

i'll say it again though, i'm happy to see them in a half full club. incredible opportunity not many fans get to see.

[BeautifulBurnout]

I sincerely hope that the gig at Fillmore will be the best Underworld gig of any tour in the known universe to make it up to you guys - and I am 100% sure that Rick, Karl and Darren will be gutted by this and will do the best job in the world to make sure that you all have a fantastic time.

Shaney: Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, darling. Please rethink your decision, as you may live to regret giving up this opportunity of seeing them live. I know how long you have waited for this, and I know how much it meant to you. Don't decide on the back of all the frustration, anger and disappointment you must be feeling right now (and rightfully so). Give it another day to mull it over. Who knows when they will be back your side of the pond? :(

[gambit]

Well, it's not like Red Rocks doesn't get packed for electronic acts. Daft Punk and Global Dance Festival were packed back in July. I don't know what happened here with Underworld. The promotion failed at some level, but I'm still glad they're putting on a show.

[BrotherLovesDub]

i've dreamed of Underworld at Red Rocks for years now. i almost planned a special mid-week vacation for it too. glad i didn't.

the worst part i see about this is no reason being given for the switch? i'm dying to know why it was switched. the Fillmore is not a small place by any means, so i can't imagine ticket sales would be an issue.


you dreamed about this show for years, when it's announced you decide not to go, then when the venue changes you bitch? pardon me while i tune my LOLmeter.

[botkiller]

I only ask for one thing:

DIRTY EPIC LIVE

PLEASE!!! I would probably break down in tears to hear this song live (hell, I'm listening to it now) :)

[nosajmunson]

I only ask for one thing:

DIRTY EPIC LIVE

PLEASE!!! I would probably break down in tears to hear this song live (hell, I'm listening to it now) :)


AMEN!
Dirty Epic Live is worth the price of the ticket, regardless of where they are playing.

Does anybody know about an after party in Denver?

[xenophobe51]

Does anybody know about an after party in Denver?

My hotel is so close to the Fillmore I can see it right out the window... This worked out well! So...

How 'bout that after party??? :D

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Denver, nor Phoenix(it's a bit culture shocking considering the populations of both), are not very "after party" towns.

Considering it's Tuesday, your best bet is have a 'dirty' after party gathering.

[geoff]

I have a feeling this show might be something special. Honestly, UW is the most grateful to their fans of any band i know. How many "thank you's" have i read on uwlive.com over the years... So many i can't even remember. So if you're going to Fillmore, keep positive vibes in the air. Who knows, you may be in for a treat.

[xenophobe51]

I have a feeling this show might be something special. Honestly, UW is the most grateful to their fans of any band i know. How many "thank you's" have i read on uwlive.com over the years... So many i can't even remember. So if you're going to Fillmore, keep positive vibes in the air. Who knows, you may be in for a treat.
I whole-heartedly agree. I 've waited for 15 years to see them and I know from ullive and everything I've read or known about the band that they care about their fans and the music above all else and will pour their souls into tomorrow's show! It's going to be the night of a lifetime!

[jasdotcom]

The bags are packed (one for each, please) and we are off to catch a flight, already heady with the vibes that wait for us in CO!! How can this night go wrong?

Sea: 5:30am
Phx: 8:07am
Den: 11:39am

Car rental: 12:00
Hotel: 12:45
(a nap & maybe watch 'Hot Fuzz')
Prefunk: 16:00
Fillmore: 18:00
Crappenfold: 19:30
:)
HEAVEN!!!!!!

[xenophobe51]

OMG!!! That was the show of a lifetime! I can die now. :D

But not before I wear out my free copy of Oblivion With Bells!

[Cranks]

Wow, really cool show. Yeah Karl said we'd all be getting a free copy of OwB due to the fiasco of moving the show from Red Rocks.

Not exactly sure of the exact setlist, but basically this was it:

Dirty Epic
Crocodile
Dark Train
Beautiful Burnout
Rez/Cowgirl
New song? (Karl on guitar)
Two Months Off
Spikee
Born slippy
King of Snake
Pearls Girl
Moaner

Encore: Jumbo


Somone else might be more accurate, I don't think I missed any though. It's late, I'm tired. But the show rocked, the crowd loved Rez/Cowgirl (as expected).

[BrotherLovesDub]

absolutely amazing show. Karl was really going for it. Touching moment in the beginning when rick and karl embraced before the show. Crowd down front was great. Everyone loving it and going mental. Oh my god what an amazing day!

To top it off, I met rick and karl outside the Fillmore today.

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[Bargo]

That's so awesome of the band to repay the fans for something that wasn't even their fault to begin with. They just went up yet another notch in my book, good show R+K!

[graphex]

That show was awesome. Couldn't ask for anything better from anyone involved. The ticket folks were kind enough to let me exchange my tickets for the much less expensive Chemical Bros/Underworld combo ticket, the band made it right with their album gift, and above all, the show was absolutely incredible!!

What was that song (I think after Rez/Cowgirl) with Karl on the guitar? That was a really great sound, kind of reminded me of the music in the movie 28 Days Later - I half expected zombies to be on the big screen behind the band! That was a really great song - I hope it is on Obilivion With Bells... if not, they should put it on an EP or something.

Moaner wasn't the smoothest, but it happens, and they pulled it off. I'd chalk it up to the altitude - the lack of oxygen :)

Fucking amazing show. Would have been a perfect day for Red Rocks, but we definitely wouldn't have had the same sound and the same energy in the croud. Great crowd, great sound, really worth the wait and initial disappointment of the venue change. I hope they come back here again.

[lloyd]

That'll be Glam Bucket of the new cd
Moaner has to be ugly, dark, raw, mean.... that's how I like it live.
013 tilburg 2005, show1, that was the best ever version I did hear live. So dark it was black.

[Butcher of Bakersfield]

lucky mountaineers you. you got Dark Train and Pearl's Girl. noice.

what's Shake that Higher btw?

[patrick]

and dirty epic... didn't someone request that one earlier in this thread to compensate for their ddisapointment?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Oh man. I am so pleased for everyone after the downer at the beginning of the week! From the pix, looks like it was a great show. And what a truly lovely gesture to the US fans to do a special limited offer. These guys are awesome. :D

[dc_04]

best show of the tour so far, imo.. absolutely awesome :)

sitting at the denver airport now.. exhausted. pics and vids will be uploaded as soon i get settled in NYC.

bring on central park!!!!

- dc

[jasdotcom]

What an incredible show! I'm back in Tacoma exactly 26 hours after I left and I STILL feel the beauty of Glam Buckut all over me!

What a treat the boys gave us. Hearing Dirty Epic, Dark Train, Spikee for the first time live would be enough but nay! We were gifted with Karl's guitar and Rick's unleashed passion during G.B....AND given a copy of the new album?!? THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

On a very personal note: I used the opportunity of this show to propose to my girlfriend during Born Slippy and she said yes! I introduced her to the band when we first met so UW have been a constant part of our relationship. The boys may as well have been around to witness the next step, eh? :)

We met folks from Portland, L.A., and Atlanta, and a few that we know from here. EVERYONE had a great time. Epic is an understatement for this show!!!

[dc_04]

What an incredible show! I'm back in Tacoma exactly 26 hours after I left and I STILL feel the beauty of Glam Buckut all over me!

What a treat the boys gave us. Hearing Dirty Epic, Dark Train, Spikee for the first time live would be enough but nay! We were gifted with Karl's guitar and Rick's unleashed passion during G.B....AND given a copy of the new album?!? THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

On a very personal note: I used the opportunity of this show to propose to my girlfriend during Born Slippy and she said yes! I introduced her to the band when we first met so UW have been a constant part of our relationship. The boys may as well have been around to witness the next step, eh? :)

We met folks from Portland, L.A., and Atlanta, and a few that we know from here. EVERYONE had a great time. Epic is an understatement for this show!!!

congrats on the engagement!!! :)

underworld - bringing people together.

- dc

[lloyd]

Congrats!
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[BeautifulBurnout]

Wow - you are the 3rd couple I heard of that proposed at a UW gig! This is lovely news. Congrats to you both! :D

[idoru]

Such an incredible party, and easily the single best event I have ever witnessed. The energy Karl brought to the whole show, plus the connection that was clear multiple times throughout the show between the three was incredible. Rick losing it during Glam Bucket was great, and hilarious when he stopped Karl singing during Born Slippy. It was nice to see Dark Train and Pearl's Girl brought out for the tour.

All in all I had a great time, and it's very nice of the boys to deliver the album to us as compensation. Still in Denver until I return to Seattle tomorrow, so I wont have my photos and videos until then.
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[Butcher of Bakersfield]

now, are they mailing the CDs to you, and how? are they going to get the home addresses from the promoters that sold the tickets? - or did they just give the CDs out at the show?

[idoru]

now, are they mailing the CDs to you, and how? are they going to get the home addresses from the promoters that sold the tickets? - or did they just give the CDs out at the show?
Those who paid cash were told to fill out a form that was at the merchandise booth. Those who purchased tickets from Ticketmaster will more than likely have our information stored by Ticketmaster. Giving the CDs out at the show would've defeated the purpose of individually watermarking all existing promos. ;)
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[Liam]

You don't think it will be the CD + DVD do you? I'm not clued up about all the different releases.

[gambit]

It was the best thing in the world ever, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. I rocked out near the front with some friends who were just as into it as I was. Loved it. I really hope they post this performance on their website sometime. Apart from the one blip with Karl singing, it was perfect.

[swillhite]

What a fantastic show! High energy all the way through- and a great set list. Watching the crew struggle with the big inflatable phallic symbols was hillarious. The crowd was awesome- full of energy, courteous, and a lot of fun. Thanks to UW for a great night. My wife can't stop talking about it!

willy
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[botkiller]

O
M
G

BEST SHOW EVAR!

Many of you have heard me rant about never seeing UW live. That has finally changed! So amazing! Great energy, awesome songs, the stage show was bloody terrific, Karl's energy, and the playfulness of all of them on stage... just so good! Offering us all free copies of the new disc - how much cooler does it get? Got myself an OWB shirt, loving it, just loving everything. I only wish I could re-live this moment, and that I'd gotten to meet the guys - but I also hope that I can interview them for my electronic music documentary that I'm doing at some point here, so maybe I can still make that dream happen :)

"Beautiful Burnout" was SO AMAZING live.

Finally I have this to say: THEY OPENED WITH DIRTY EPIC!! My favorite song!! I know it's cheesey for me to say, but when that moment happened, for me, my first time seeing the band who is #1 on my list in so many ways, playing my favorite song, I just can't tell you how I felt. It was as if it was, in some small way, just for me.

THANK YOU RICK, PRICEY AND KARL! You guys made my year!

[Leon]

I'm really happy for you guys :) They've put Dirty Epic in their setlist now, how great is that :D

[botkiller]

and dirty epic... didn't someone request that one earlier in this thread to compensate for their ddisapointment?

:) that was me. I cannot express to you how happy I was when that happened. I can't help but wonder if they did hear my request :)

[botkiller]

The ticket folks were kind enough to let me exchange my tickets for the much less expensive Chemical Bros/Underworld combo ticket, the band made it right with their album gift, and above all, the show was absolutely incredible!!


what is this thing I keep hearing about UW/Chems? Is there another show in Denver with the Chems and UW? I thought the Chems show was the 20th or something...

[gambit]

You could buy tickets to both shows at the same time as a package deal. The Chems are playing by themselves.

[botkiller]

You could buy tickets to both shows at the same time as a package deal. The Chems are playing by themselves.

ah ha. ok, I was worried I was missing out on something else :P

[graphex]

I think the Chemical Brothers are playing with The Faint, but Underworld isn't involved - just a cheaper ticket. Actually, since I did the exchange at the box office, I didn't have to pay any fees making the $50/ticket cost of the combo deal cheaper than the $52 I paid just for the Underworld ticket, which had like $18 of various fees added to it. Practically a "Buy Underworld, get Chemical Brothers and The Faint for free" deal. Suddenly I like LiveNation :)


Course, after a show like that, I like Everything.

[Yannick]

Denver; Free album questions. Hi this is a recorded reply sent to us, sorry in the delay to answer and reading all the messages, there were a lot of questions about the free album giveaway in Denver so here's a general answer for everyone.

- Those who paid by credit card, we have your address. CDs will be sent to the same address your tickets were sent to.

- Those of you who paid by cash or purchased at the venue, you were asked for your address at the show in Denver.

- CDs will be shipped the week commencing Monday October 15th

- Any queries should be directed to Scott Kanov at LiveNation (scottkanov@livenation.com)

- It's ok to leave some cookie.

[rayray]

Denver; Free album questions. Hi this is a recorded reply sent to us, sorry in the delay to answer and reading all the messages, there were a lot of questions about the free album giveaway in Denver so here's a general answer for everyone.

- It's ok to leave some cookie.

For dirty old saint nick, right? :rolleyes:

[Yannick]

++ We are sending one CD per ticket purchased so if you bought 4 tix, you’re getting 4 CD’s.

[botkiller]

Oh man, I can't wait to get my copy... I'm litterally seething for it...

[idoru]

++ We are sending one CD per ticket purchased so if you bought 4 tix, you?re getting 4 CD?s.



That was the only question I had. Thanks for the info.
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[botkiller]

Has anyone gotten their copy yet? I mean the free ones? Man I can't wait...

[gambit]

No, apparently, they were sent out on Monday, but there's also supposedly a postal strike in the U.K., so who knows.

[idoru]

I'd expect it to take a few days. They were mailed out on Monday and seeing as how it's free, I wouldn't be surprised if they just used regular postage instead of springing for something faster.
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[botkiller]

I'd expect it to take a few days. They were mailed out on Monday and seeing as how it's free, I wouldn't be surprised if they just used regular postage instead of springing for something faster.

Strangely, they sent mine via DHL - and the guy at Livenation was really nice. Gotta give them props.

[nosajmunson]

This has been a long time coming:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OCG0W5OW

This is the entire Denver Show in one big mp3. I would have posted it through rtsrboardoftrade, but I haven't been able to connect to the ftp server. I was asked to share this, so I thought it best to post it here for all to listen.

The reason I sat on this so long is because the sound quality isn't great. At the show, I was up against the stage, so the sound peaks out a lot. Plus this was the first time I used my DS-40 to record anything. I've done some basic mixing and balancing, but it still sounds rough in spots.
I have not had the time or resources to properly mix it and break it down into tracks. If someone else could, awesome.
If you load it into iTunes, check the lyrics section for the setlist.
Also, the artwork is a picture I took at the concert.



Enjoy!
-Jason

[Georg.]

THANKS A LOT FOR THIS SHOW!!

And a very special thanks for using megaupload.

I can't use the ftp-server (computer at work) and that's why I can't get all those rare UW live recordings, so using megaupload (or rapidshare) to share with us was very much appreciated!!!

;)

[Dirty0900]

Lovely stuff, ace quality as well.

[BrotherLovesDub]

first, thank you for all your work and posting it here. it's good to be able to remember the exact order of the songs and i appreciate your effort but this recording really makes me want a soundboard recording of this gig more than ever.

come on UW, release the beast!

[nosajmunson]

i appreciate your effort but this recording really makes me want a soundboard recording of this gig more than ever.

come on UW, release the beast!

Your welcome.
And I agree. This recording doesn't do the show justice. But it does serve as a nice reminder. It's certainly better than nothing.

Be sweet ass sweet if Karl&Rick released their 2007 American Gigs in some format!

[holden]

This has been a long time coming:

This is the entire Denver Show in one big mp3.

Enjoy!
-Jason

Someone is awesome...and it's you! Big thanks!

[darktrain]

Be sweet ass sweet if Karl&Rick released their 2007 American Gigs in some format!

or at the very least the guitarriffic Glam Bucket that was (I think) played at said gigs!

[idoru]

I remember asking you about this recording a while back and after a while I gave up hope on ever getting my hands on it. However, you have totally made my day. High quality audio or low quality audio I still greatly appreciate this; thank you. :)
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[gambit]

HOLY FUCK HOW COME I DIDN'T SEE THIS UNTIL NOW?!!?!!?!?!????!

This recording doesn't do the show justice. I was completely freaking out the entire show, and I would love, love, LOVE a proper recording. Hell, I'd even PAY for it. Yes, I would pay to hear a show again I paid for the first time.

Rick, Karl, release it, and we will come.