Ableton Live users: I want a loop CD

[verbal]

I'm starting to learn Live and I'd like to add it to my DJ sets. Right now I have nothing production wise. I'd like to find a CD that has a range of loops in the house/techno and all subgenres so I could use them in Live.

Any recommendations?

[adam]

You can use any commercial CD that you want to sample...warping tracks is super fastquick once you're familiar with it. It's especially easy to build perfect sounding loops out of techno tracks. Or is that not what you want? I'm a little unsure what you're asking...

[Professor]

just make them.... you have all teh tools you need right there.

[verbal]

I just want a bunch of loops that I can use in the session view. So I could have one turntable playing, then mix in elements to make a new track and mix out the turntable. Play with that a bit, then mix in a new track from the turntable.

I just don't have the time or knowledge to cut up track and isolate certain instruments for loops.

[adam]

Then you don't have time to bother with Live. Seriously, what Prof and I are proposing is the whole point of the program, and, once you're familiar with it, is nearly effortless and takes a minimum amount of time. They couldn't make it simpler or easier.

[Winston]

why don't you use redsound?
take a loop from the record that is playing
looping on the fly....

http://www.redsound.com/

much cheaper then ableton too

[Professor]

it's almost like cheating

[Winston]

depends on what your view is n the dj thing imo

if you think that dj'ing is like vinyl-vinyl-mixer it's your good right
personal i think, if you can use certain kind of "toys", don't hesitate
the more possibilities, the more fun

not?

[Future Proof]

it's almost like cheating

Kinda -- for a long time I felt that way but then I kind of realized one day that this is what electronic composition *should* feel like. I actually feel like I'm using an instrument when working with Live whereas in Cubase, DP or whatever I just feel like a programmer.

Music software that makes you feel like an artist FTW

[verbal]

I'm not sure if you guys understand what I want. I don't just want loops, I want single instruments. Mainly so I can build a brand new track instead of just throwing in a loop of a track.

I'd love to breakdown one of my favorite tracks into instruments and loops. The loop part I can handle-- it's the isolating instruments I have no clue about.

Hawtin did it for DE9: Closer To The Edit. How is it done?

[Winston]

if you want it like rich, you will need the original tracks before they master them, otherwise it's not possible i guess

[Future Proof]

I'm not sure if you guys understand what I want. I don't just want loops, I want single instruments. Mainly so I can build a brand new track instead of just throwing in a loop of a track.

I'd love to breakdown one of my favorite tracks into instruments and loops. The loop part I can handle-- it's the isolating instruments I have no clue about.

Hawtin did it for DE9: Closer To The Edit. How is it done?

It's likely that in a lot of cases he just used an audio editor such as Wavelab to isolate certain bits. If he was pulling a sound out of a layered passage comprised of multiple instruments then I'm not sure.

[adam]

Oooooooooooooooooooh, single instruments, my apologies. You DJ with vinyl, yes? So you know you can often fudge it with EQs and filters. You can't get perfect isolation, but sometimes those imperfections work really well. Assuming you want better isolation than that, a lot of magazines review sample CDs, I'd try and locate some of them online and find something that suits you.

[King of Snake]

otherwise there are loads of sample cd's with construction loops for dance music, but they tend to cost quite a bit and personally I wouldn't be able to recommend you any specific ones.
You might try sites like http://www.soundsonline.com/home.php

[Professor]

yeah, mostly when i want that, i basically have to use some EQ magic. It might take a while to get what you want. You might do better to loop your bit of the song, then copy several "takes" of that loop in live and eq them all differntly, and bounce the result. using multiple filters on the same track can help too....but you have to be flexible with the sound...you aren't going to ever get perfect isolation without obtaining the separated tracks. i'd suggest listening to your chosen choons a little differently, trying to listen for what sounds could be pulled, and which one's can't...make decisions based on that.

get there

[Tyler]

Hawtin did it for DE9: Closer To The Edit. How is it done?

There is nothing on DE9 where he isolated specific insturments off the records. It's all just (mostly short) cut loops of the entire song. He just picks parts of the song where it breaks down to just one insturment or whatever to cut into a loop. Those records he's cutting up are already super super minimal anyway.