Burial

[mmm skyscraper]

Melancholy for the post-rave generation

Thoughts?

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_blackdownsoundboy_archive.html#11429826 6029581805
http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/007666.html

[Eikman]

it's good. dark and urban. not only the cover reminds of a futuristic blade runner setting.

although the best tracks are the one that were already released on last years EP imo...

[BrotherLovesDub]

the breezeblock mix by kode-9 is killer too!

[sloff]

Just reading his interview is very inspiring. Loved the samples, now I'm trying to find a place to buy this domestically. I hate paying cross-atlantic shipping.
I have to have this though.

[mmm skyscraper]

the breezeblock mix by kode-9 is killer too!

http://barefiles.com/download2.php?file=UmFkaW9fMV8tX0JyZWV6ZWJsb2NrXy1 fQnVyaWFsXzA0LUFwci0yMDA2Lm1wMw==

edit: You can get the ep here:

http://www.bleep.com/?bleep=HDB001

[dubman]

the only reason i dont have this right now is because i am so mind-bogglingly poor. i barely eat.
come june it's def. going to be this.
plus herbert
plus other things i cant think of because i'm so HUNGRY GODDAMNIT

[Eikman]

*throws an apple and a nickel in dubmans direction*

[joethelion]

well - it looks like bleep.com will have the album in not too long

...although - it doesn't say if it won't be available for people in the US (which, at least for the Franz Ferdinand stuff on there seems to switch back and forth)

[Tom]

Just got this - amazing.

[dubman]

Just reading his interview is very inspiring. Loved the samples, now I'm trying to find a place to buy this domestically. I hate paying cross-atlantic shipping.
I have to have this though.

it'll sell out before that happens... got mine for a pretty penny a couple weeks ago (day after payday ;) )
it's fucking dark, so evocative, so visual.

i love it

[Eikman]

it gets better every time.

[koisk]

I guess I just don't get it. Is it a grower album for you guys? The samples on bleep just sound kind of bland and boring to me.

[Tom]

I was floored on first listen.

[dubman]

yeh, same here

[mmm skyscraper]

Untrue November 5th

still loving 'Ghost Hardware' too

[GreenPea]

I guess I just don't get it. Is it a grower album for you guys? The samples on bleep just sound kind of bland and boring to me.

Listening to this with proper bass helps a lot, definitely not something to listen on your iPod. With proper bass and volume it is abosorbing hypnotic darkness. If you still don't get it go ahead and smoke a joint and listen to it again. :p

[Butcher of Bakersfield]

yeah i don't get it. and i don't smoke either. i'll give it a few more spins but so far it's really nothing more than fairly decent. do i have to be English or something?

[joethelion]

yeah i don't get it. and i don't smoke either. i'll give it a few more spins but so far it's really nothing more than fairly decent. do i have to be English or something?

you most certainly do not have to be english

just give it time... it's a fantastic album - but I could see how some people might not dig it, with the absence of vocals, etc

[Leon]

Yeah I had to give it quite some time before I liked it. Now I love it, although 1 or 2 songs on there are kinda annoying. I still think "Prayer" has a fucking amazing vibe.
And yes, you should smoke a j when listening to this album. In fact, you should start smoking j's and all the music you listen to will be massive!

[Jafs]

there's another highly anticipated dubstep release in november: Pinch's first album on his own label Tectonic, it's called "Underwater Dancehall". :)

[Butcher of Bakersfield]

you most certainly do not have to be english

just give it time... it's a fantastic album - but I could see how some people might not dig it, with the absence of vocals, etc

well about 90% of the music i own has no vocals, so i don't think its that. maybe its just that there's not a lot of variation going on there, or maybe i just don't like it.

And yes, you should smoke a j when listening to this album. In fact, you should start smoking j's and all the music you listen to will be massive!

I've got no issue w/ weed, it's just that i like to know when what i'm listening to is shit too.

now Pinch, i like Pinch. something about it just works for me.

[mkb]

And yes, you should smoke a j when listening to this album. In fact, you should start smoking j's and all the music you listen to will be massive!

F that, the first time I got stoned, the first thing I put on was Kruder and Dorfmeister, and it did not change a thing!

[crank]

i'm still looking for samples longer than 15sec...

[koisk]

Listening to this with proper bass helps a lot, definitely not something to listen on your iPod. With proper bass and volume it is abosorbing hypnotic darkness. If you still don't get it go ahead and smoke a joint and listen to it again. :p

:) Over the course of time I've grown to love the album by the way. It really gets me in the mood when it's dark cold and rainy outside. mmmmm.

[kid cue]

THE NEW ALBUM SOUNDS AMAZING!

http://www.soundsoftheuniverse.com/releases/?id=10244



Album Of The Year



RAVER!

[patrick]

THE NEW ALBUM SOUNDS AMAZING!

http://www.soundsoftheuniverse.com/releases/?id=10244



Album Of The Year



RAVER!
OMG. this sound fantastic! even better than the first probably!

[Leon]

I think it's more of the same, but first impression is positive. Last track will do good on dancefloors :)

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://rapidshare.com/files/63100639/burial_album_preview_mixed_by_kode_9.mp3

[Tom]

Download limit reached. Anyone with this wanna up it somewhere and make me love them?

[King of Snake]

THE NEW ALBUM SOUNDS AMAZING!

http://www.soundsoftheuniverse.com/releases/?id=10244



Album Of The Year



RAVER!

that link gives me a 404 error

[King of Snake]

http://rapidshare.com/files/63100639/burial_album_preview_mixed_by_kode_9.mp3
Damn that presenter woman is annoying. Stop yapping already! How over the top can you be? Or is it some kind of act/joke?
This preview didn't do much for me though... kinda reminded me of FSOL but not as interesting. Sounds kinda like lots of random bits with lots of reverb on it.

[kid cue]

i am so not downloading that. last time it almost ruined the first album for me. and yeah, Mary Anne Hobbs needs to tone it down a little.

[BrotherLovesDub]

i am so not downloading that. last time it almost ruined the first album for me. and yeah, Mary Anne Hobbs needs to tone it down a little.


so you listened to all the previews but won't listen to a 15min mix? not sure the kode 9 mix really gives away any secrets. it's 17 tracks in 15 mins. you don't hear much of anything. it sounds like burial. exactly what you'd expect.

[Lx_Nen]

I actually quite like Burial, but it is all just samples + covering up the mismatches with crackles and reverb.

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.

Here's the hottest new dubplate from East London's darkhypergrimedub massive Kremayshun to prove my point: http://www.lxnen.com/KremayshunOne.mp3

Took me about 2 hours, and there's probably far to much going on because I can't quite bring myself to make things as empty as Burial does, and I was relying only on cleared samples I already had on my harddrive rather than nicking anything gangsta stylee.

Coming next: Kremayshun remixes Underworld - Mmm Towerblock I love you :-)

[kid cue]

so you listened to all the previews but won't listen to a 15min mix? not sure the kode 9 mix really gives away any secrets. it's 17 tracks in 15 mins. you don't hear much of anything. it sounds like burial. exactly what you'd expect.
i shouldn't have listened to the samples either. but they're still just samples. a mix is a self-contained piece, and i'd rather it not substitute for the album in my mind.

LX_Nen: i don't care how simple Burial's methods are as long as he keeps bringing the vibe. you could say the same about any number of great hardcore tracks from the early 90s. there ought to be MORE mismatches in sample-based music IMO; all the music is sounding a bit too clean and precise these days.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.


go on then LX. if it's that easy i'll expect you to be the media darling in a few weeks time.


make an album since it's so easy. get it played on Radio1. win album of the year awards from many diff. sources. if you do this with ease, i'll give you every single item i own, every penny to my name.

[Lx_Nen]

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it :-)

Follow the link in my last post to hear the result. I'm too busy making my own proper album to do any big sideprojects right now, but then agan at 2 hours a track I might just give it a go...

[BrotherLovesDub]

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it :-)

Follow the link in my last post to hear the result.

no. what you said was, 'any fool' can do it. which means Burial is not special and any fool, say, YOU, can do what he does easily. i've heard your song you posted. you got the crackle, the echo and the space, but there's no vibe. no feeling. nothing that makes me want to hear it again. nothing that evokes the same visions that the Burial album did.

it's easy to mimic a style, but the best music is the simplist music that transcends its form and takes on something unique and unexpected with the sum of its parts.

not a bad effort on your part but i still challenge you to produce 1 track that is as good as the worst Burial track without imitating Burial.

remember, before Burial, nothing sounded like his stuff. come up with something that is your own style and captures the imaginations of millions.

actually, go ahead and copy Burial. you may be able to reproduce his general sound, but you'll never approach the beauty of his work.

i'll wait here patiently.

[dubman]

oh jesus BLD are we seriously pulling the "I DONT SEE YOU MAKING ALBUMS EVRYONE LOVES WHY DONT YOU CAN IT" routine

lol. next you'll tell me you're a Tool fan or something.

someone goes beyond the standard internet guidelines of just making a statement and gives a little demonstration to boot but none of it is valid until you say so. it's not even being *that* opinionated anymore you're just being an ass.

[Lx_Nen]

I find this very interesting, Burial (and I'll repeat, I do like the album, and I'll be buying the new one) is in a field of 1. There's nobody else in the genre, so my question is: Is Burial good because he's has a unique style, or is he good despite having a unique style?

I started off idly doodling with samples I had lying around on my hard drive, to see if I could get the same sort of production. I realise that there's no actual 'track' in what I made, it's just an assembly of Burial-like noises. I'll have a go at putting a 'song' in there soon - but I've got a busy few days ahead seeing that Underthingy band for the next 3 nights.

Do you have any recomendations for the sort of album Burial is sampling his 'slinky beats' and vocals from? I'm not sure which genre I should be looking for my samples in...

[BrotherLovesDub]

look for 2step/uk garage or tacky R&B.

[BrotherLovesDub]

oh jesus BLD are we seriously pulling the "I DONT SEE YOU MAKING ALBUMS EVRYONE LOVES WHY DONT YOU CAN IT" routine

lol. next you'll tell me you're a Tool fan or something.

someone goes beyond the standard internet guidelines of just making a statement and gives a little demonstration to boot but none of it is valid until you say so. it's not even being *that* opinionated anymore you're just being an ass.


yes. i'm seriously pulling that. he said any fool can make it. he said it wasn't special. then provided a track that attempts to imitate Burial.

the only thing i can recommend is you put me on ignore. i'm an asshole, i'm old and i don't see either of those things changing.

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=337

i think that link is a direct link to Ignore me. Please click it.

[GoatSucker]

Burials last album was one of the best of 2006 for me, can't wait to hear the new one.
I first got into Burial after reading an interview about his production techniques - interesting reading.
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006/03/soundboy-burial.html

Don't know about the new album, but it seems like a lot of the loops in the first one are handcrafted in SoundForge...

[dubman]

that might be feeding the delusion that you're an intolerable ass who's just so unbearably perceptive in his assery that he *must* be ignored to preserve our brains.

just saying.. you're being a pretty standard internet butthole and pulling out an argument for burial which should only be the last resort of fans with nothing to say. just because you admit to being mean doesnt mean people shouldn't say you're being completely ridiculous.

[BrotherLovesDub]

that's fine dubman. LX's claim that 'any fool' can make it only attempts to demean the artistry and vision that goes into creating something like Burial's LP and singles. people say this shit all the time and i think it's valid to say, 'if it's so easy, then do it yourself'. not sure why that statement is more ridiculous than some n00b with Garageband or Abelton to say Burial (or some other respected producer) is a simpleton doing what any fool can do.

[dubman]

because it's asking them to have that same talent before they can diss on a record, which would be equivalent to saying you cant actually appreciate it if you dont have that talent either. it's attempts to null the criticism of the listener by placing ridiculous standards on them for the safety of asserting that this is the greatest thing ever. it's cowardly and cheap. there's people all over the world who are "good" at listening and talking about music but would never be in the right space mentally to create it.
and often the most bald-face and unrefined observations about music can prove to be the most accurate. as irritating as it is, to have a guy call BS once in awhile let's us have a reason worth saying on an MB about why we like what we do. i dont like Lx_Nen's shortcut that because it is what it is makes it no good, and i agree that he's oversimplifying it because Burial's music and textures are so fertile, abundant, and visually engaging in every way, but i could see where he's coming from with it as someone who simply doesnt feel it and is taking it purely on an impression. i certainly wouldnt debate him citing all of the outside noise the album has generated instead of speaking on personal levels about the music itself.
because *that's* the level where being a dick would be just dumb instead of irreverent

[BrotherLovesDub]

i disagree. LX said any fool could make it. that's what i'm criticizing. i wouldn't expect him to have the same talent if he just wanted to say it was simple music. however, he said, ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes. that's why i said what i did. did you read his statement? i think you're just mad at me and taking out some frustrations in this thread.

LX said ANY FOOL can make the music Burial makes, including him. if that's true, i want to hear his stuff. i'm not saying he needs to be a good guitarist to criticize a guitar player. i'm not saying he needs to be able to sing to criticize a singer. i'm not sure where you're coming from in your statement but if LX believes any fool can make the music, then lets hear him do it.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




see the issue here? i'm not debating his right to critique Burial.

[Lx_Nen]

I'll stick my hand in the air and say 'mea culpa' for a lot of this flamewar. My post was intended to be taken far less seriously than it has been. I threw a simley and a joke about mmm Skyscraper in there, and used a silly name, but it seems people didn't get the joke.

I wanted to have a stab at getting the Burial sound, and I thought my results were interesting enough to share, that's all.

My point was that anyone could make the same sort of soundscapes as Burial, not that anyone could be as good as Burial. I'll say for the 3rd time that I do like the first Burial album, and I do 'get it'... but I'd be very interested to know if people who don't 'get it' rate my quick pastiche highly or not.

The blackdownsoundboy article inspired me to give the Burial sound a go, as the techniques described in it are undoubtedly very simple. I used Reason not Soundforge for my first go, so I've not got the offbeat timings, which may be why mine sounds (no pun intended) dead compared to the real thing.

The next stage for me is to make another one of these tracks, but with the handmade timings explained in the article and some suitable 2step/uk garage samples (not genres I'm very familiar with, so please bare with me while I find some), and see how much of the magic is Burial, and how much is Burial's samples. I'm still linterested in finding out the answer to the question I posed earlier - is Burial good because he's in a field of his own, or is he good despite being in a field of his own?

[Lx_Nen]

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it

I didn't say I could do it well, I just said I could do it

...and I'll stick by it. Any fool, including me can make a track that sounds like Burial. I did put my money where my mouth is, by making a track and posting it.

Nobody is seriously going to suggest that my first go at it is anywhere near as good as Burial, but I don't think anyone can deny that it does sound like Burial. Burial on a bad day, or the bottom ranked track in the shortlist of 100 he had for his first album maybe, but none the less I think it does sound like Burial, and with more appropriate sample choice, it will sound even more like him next time.

[dubman]

again, i think he's wrong. but he not only asserted but did what he thought was an approximate imitation of a burial track, and us two happen to vehemently disagree. BUT, instead of just going with the comment, you took the failure of his effort to completely discredit it, whereas other people might say the same thing and be able to argue about it a bit better without fumbling it like he did.
but it wasnt even adressed. i didnt *really* care about the ensuing tete-a-tete until that horrid "YOU CANT DO IT SO SHUT UP IT GOT POPULAR" train of thought was brought up, which is both funny and sad enough to ask that if you're going to be a dick, then do it without looking whiny too.
and now the sneaking suspicion of devolving discussion can't really be ignored at this point.

i know kid cue hates it, and i know it says how my sense of patience and anticipation have been erased by years of being spoiled by leaks, but the best way to pick up the p[eices in this thread and make everyone happy is if this album leaked NAO.

[BrotherLovesDub]

the idea that any form of electronic music can be made by any fool or that it's the samples that should take the credit, not the artist, are old, tired and insulting comments that sound like they're coming from a rockist/rock fan's perspective. if you think anyone can make the same stuff and it's just a matter of picking good samples, you're confused. electronic music is not 100% reliant on the software and the samples. to believe so is to be fooling yourself. what's the difference between saying that and saying, oh, i just bought a guitar and i'll be able to replicate The Edge or Hooky in no time?

if you believe you can replicate Burial with your gear, do you also believe you can imitate great guitarists or drummers if you had their same kit? there's no difference in my mind.

[kid cue]

My point was that anyone could make the same sort of soundscapes as Burial, not that anyone could be as good as Burial.
i'm not sure why this is an interesting or significant point...?

The next stage for me is to make another one of these tracks, but with the handmade timings explained in the article and some suitable 2step/uk garage samples (not genres I'm very familiar with, so please bare with me while I find some), and see how much of the magic is Burial, and how much is Burial's samples. I'm still linterested in finding out the answer to the question I posed earlier - is Burial good because he's in a field of his own, or is he good despite being in a field of his own?
this seems very simple. some people have an ear (eye, whatever) for beauty that others don't. their technique and reference points are independent factors. for those of us who know the history of the music Burial is referencing, that adds a lot, but it doesn't change the fact that the music is clearly emotional and well-thought out. re: technique, if you listen to "Unite," which was made in Logic and not SoundForge, you'll find that it's as good as anything else he has done. i'm not sure why you are on a detective mission to answer a bogus question.

[BrotherLovesDub]

it is all just samples + covering up the mismatches with crackles and reverb.

Any fool can do it. Even a middle aged white suburban bloke like me.




it's easy! it's just samples, crackles and reverb. any fool can do it.

[Leon]

Why can't we just share the love for Burial music. Somehow I really don't care how it's made, or how easy it's made: Burial grabs me, and I like teh music. So there.
Please waste your time on something else than acting like smart asses and argueing over nothing.

[Tom]

Fuck you Leon I'll murk you blud.

Lx_Nen made a dumb statement and was called on it.

BLD is a wanker, but he's right.

Dubman has a crush on BLD.

kid cue is hot.

I'm going to get drunk and listen to those samples for a few hours.

[dubman]

who am i kidding...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/6a00e398a1e3c2000500e398a6799100-1.jpg

[Tom]

lol gg



____________

[BrotherLovesDub]

Fuck you Leon I'll murk you blud.

Lx_Nen made a dumb statement and was called on it.

BLD is a wanker, but he's right.

Dubman has a crush on BLD.

kid cue is hot.

I'm going to get drunk and listen to those samples for a few hours.


wow. nicely done tom.

[BrotherLovesDub]

who am i kidding...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/6a00e398a1e3c2000500e398a6799100-1.jpg


:D :D :D

that's awesome dubman.

seriously. i love arguing about music. i don't take this personally so no hard feelings.

[dubman]

none taken.

oh, also:

I'M GOING TO MELT.

[Leon]

none taken.

oh, also:

I'M GOING TO MELT.

You mean the German festival in summer?

Good chance I'm going there too.

[dubman]

no i mean this album completely destroys

[Leon]

no i mean this album completely destroys

hahaha fuck, I read that totally wrong.

Still have to get this album.

[Tom]

Album of the year hands down bar none fuck you and your family win.

[Leon]

I gave it a (very) quick listen and there are a few tracks on there that remind me too much of his first record, which is kinda what I feared to hear.

But I also heard a lot of good sounds and vibes, good song "writing" and those unexpected changes and progressions.

[BrotherLovesDub]

well leon, Burial has a limited sound palette to choose from which i believe is his preference. i feel like he's created both albums from nearly identical sounds and both sound unique.

however, i am a bit weary of the constant pitch-shifted vocals. i like the effect but feel it could have had more impact if it had only been used on 2/3 songs instead of every song on the album.

he also has 6-8 more tracks that are finished that should be coming out on ep's in the near future.

overall i rate this several notches below his debut but it's still a good album.

[joethelion]

god...
when's the FLAC going to be available for this on bleeo?!?!?!?!?
it's said "will be available" for like... the past






...erm
24 hours




(just realized that it only became available @ midnight on sunday)

[joethelion]

great...

now if I use that same sample from Inland Empire... everyone's going to think I got the idea from him... even though I recorded that section off the dvd like... 2 months ago

[dubman]

overall i rate this several notches below his debut but it's still a good album.

i like this one a lot more than his debut.
it's got a center.

[BrotherLovesDub]

yeah, it's all center and no edges though.

*puts on gloves for round 2 ;) *

[BrotherLovesDub]

honestly, i have to say that i do really enjoy the record. i'm looking for things to dislike in it. it's one of the best albums i've heard this year. i just wish there was a bit more variety in the tracks. i should relisten to the debut LP and make sure i'm remembering that one correctly.

[dubman]

yeah, it's all center and no edges though.

*puts on gloves for round 2 ;) *
oh-ho-ho, you're gonna have to wait a little while. i've been playing it off but i haven't been this moved by a record in at least a couple of years. i've been excited, i've drawn endless inspiration and have been very happy with other records before, but not genuinely *moved* like this since Polmo Polpo.
brain always moves faster than the words so i've been good about not saying anything too embarassing yet, but if you absolutely insist on not recognizing how completely awe-inspiring this record this during that time, well....

;)

[mkb]

oh-ho-ho, you're gonna have to wait a little while. i've been playing it off but i haven't been this moved by a record in at least a couple of years. i've been excited, i've drawn endless inspiration and have been very happy with other records before, but not genuinely *moved* like this since Polmo Polpo.
brain always moves faster than the words so i've been good about not saying anything too embarassing yet, but if you absolutely insist on not recognizing how completely awe-inspiring this record this during that time, well....

;)

hmm, sounds a bit like convextion. but i can actually find this record in a store somewhere :)

[kid cue]

hmm, sounds a bit like convextion. but i can actually find this record in a store somewhere :)
i went everywhere in the Village and could not find it!!!!!! whatever happened to having imports on import release day???????

:hyperventilates:

[mmm skyscraper]

, but not genuinely *moved* like this since Polmo Polpo.


I always thought that Polmo Polpo and Burial went nicely together.

[patrick]

:) :D :D :D :D :D :D


i love this albumn

[mkb]

i went everywhere in the Village and could not find it!!!!!! whatever happened to having imports on import release day???????

:hyperventilates:

Huh? Amazon has it on pre-order, at least. More than 500 copies of a double vinyl available only for £39 in the UK if you buy it from the label owner at his house (and btw his number is unlisted, his mailbox is unmarked, and his email address bounces)

[Jafs]

great...

now if I use that same sample from Inland Empire... everyone's going to think I got the idea from him... even though I recorded that section off the dvd like... 2 months ago

I haven't seen Inland Empire yet, but when listening to Untrue for the 3rd time, I tought the sample you were talking about may be the one at the start of "Etched Headplate" ?

[GreenPea]

I was just reading he uses exactly the same sample used a couple years ago by Lurker of Chalice (black metal/ambient project).
From this movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325055/
I don't know on what track as I haven't listened to it yet.

[joethelion]

I haven't seen Inland Empire yet, but when listening to Untrue for the 3rd time, I tought the sample you were talking about may be the one at the start of "Etched Headplate" ?


Nope - the whole intro track "[untitled]"

"I'll show you light now, it burns forever" is straight off of Inland Empire

on the movie it goes on a bit more, but I don't want to give anything away if you happen to ever watch it. The sample doesn't happen until close to the end... a hobo says it to one of the characters

I'm also pretty sure the crackly record noise is also from that
(and the strings as well... although I'm not 100% positive)

...which I also recorded

damn it

well - you know what? As I was already planning on using it... i still am, but I want to make it clear - it's not b/c of Burial...

[kid cue]

Huh? Amazon has it on pre-order, at least. More than 500 copies of a double vinyl available only for £39 in the UK if you buy it from the label owner at his house (and btw his number is unlisted, his mailbox is unmarked, and his email address bounces)
yeah, i think i'll order the vinyl LP and download from Bleep. i don't even know why i was so hung up on getting the CD. no one had the import yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah, i wanted to get the CD so that i could listen over and over at work. i'm listening to reggaeton instead -_-

[joethelion]

still waiting for the flac on bleep

Tuesday my ass!

normally, I wouldn't care and just buy the mp3's ... but I've noticed it's especially worth it (getting lossless) when it comes to dubstep and really heavy electronic stuff (like Boys Noize, Teenage Bad Girl...)

[koisk]

still waiting for the flac on bleep

Tuesday my ass!

normally, I wouldn't care and just buy the mp3's ... but I've noticed it's especially worth it (getting lossless) when it comes to dubstep and really heavy electronic stuff (like Boys Noize, Teenage Bad Girl...)

flac!!!!

[mkb]

yeah, i think i'll order the vinyl LP and download from Bleep. i don't even know why i was so hung up on getting the CD. no one had the import yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah, i wanted to get the CD so that i could listen over and over at work. i'm listening to reggaeton instead -_-

is there a US place that has it? i'd rather have vinyl than CD or download any day.

[kid cue]

i'm sure Other Music will have it sometime soon (ie, in a week or so). Forced Exposure too, presumably....

[mkb]

lab says they'll have it. then i don't have to pay shipping.

[Lx_Nen]

After giving the new one a couple of listens... the pitch shift vocals are annoyingly overused, and it seems a lot less varied than the first album. I'm not going to risk saying it's formulaic after the grief I got earlier in the thread, but it's almost as if he's homed in better on his own style, or to put it another way it's not got as much of that rough sketched quality that the first one had. Despite "archangel" probably being my favourite Burial track, I prefer the first album. Perhaps this is because this one is more influenced by uk-garage and less experimental/ambient than the first?

[kid cue]

the last one was completely influenced by uk garage. it's just more apparent with the vocals.

[Lx_Nen]

of course... but with this one I think it's much more prominent, and there's fewer nods to ambient/illbient.

[Tom]

That's because ambient and illbient are lame poser genres.

[Lx_Nen]

...and UK Garage was worse, being a lame chav genre... come to think of it, it's a wonder that Burial manages to even be listenable, let alone brilliant.

[kid cue]

...and UK Garage was worse, being a lame chav genre... come to think of it, it's a wonder that Burial manages to even be listenable, let alone brilliant.
anyone who'd rather listen to We or DJ Spooky than Dem 2 or Groove Chronicles has got to be at least 5% evil.

[kid cue]

they removed the note about FLAC on bleep.com please somebody tell me it's coming!

[Lx_Nen]

anyone who'd rather listen to We or DJ Spooky than Dem 2 or Groove Chronicles has got to be at least 5% evil.

Try this simple quiz:

1) Victoria Beckham's last No. 1 hit was

a) Ambient
b) Illbient*
c) UK Garage

* Playing it backwards at 5 rpm is cheating.

[Tom]

I'd take Victoria Beckham's latest over that other shit any fucking day.

[kid cue]

Burial talking about music he likes (short article): http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/da/47934

[mmm skyscraper]

In another interview he mentions these songs:

Digital - Special Mission
El-B - Brandy remix
El-B Feat. Juiceman - Buck & Bury (Original Mix)
Ghost - Passage of Time
Groove Chronicles - stone cold
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter
Foul Play - dub in u (remix)
Hyper-On-Experience - Lord Of The Null Lines
Foul Play - Being With You
D'Cruze - Lonely
Hyper-On Experience - L.o.t.N.L. (Foul Play RMX)
Hyper on Experience - Lord of the Null Lines (Photek remix)
Foul Play - Open Your Mind (Remix)

[kid cue]

another thing i like about Burial is that i don't think he's mentioned a single artist or track that isn't jungle/dnb or garage/dubstep. it's a really narrow pool of music to draw from, and yet his music is infinitely rich. if anything it seems to focus his work because the vibe he's after is so particular. this is pretty refreshing in light of so many artists bragging about how many different records they grew up on (which their own music doesn't live up to). it's like, influences aren't necessarily additive; it's more important to have a clear head about what you're doing.

(sigh .. i think i only have 3 of those tunes)

[Strangelet]

another thing i like about Burial is that i don't think he's mentioned a single artist or track that isn't jungle/dnb or garage/dubstep. it's a really narrow pool of music to draw from, and yet his music is infinitely rich.

Really? I'm a fan of burial's self titled lp. Also like the new stuff, and I must confess I like dubstep etc but I have a pedestrian exposure to it. With all those preambles on my opinion, there's a samey-ness here when you compare the new stuff with the previous work that means, as brilliant as it is, there really doesn't seem to be a lot of room to grow within its own structure. You could alter that structure, but then you're truly moving away from what made the burial lp so awesome. :)

Maybe newer directions can be awesome too, i just don't see infinite richness.

[kid cue]

With all those preambles on my opinion, there's a samey-ness here when you compare the new stuff with the previous work that means, as brilliant as it is, there really doesn't seem to be a lot of room to grow within its own structure. You could alter that structure, but then you're truly moving away from what made the burial lp so awesome. :) i know where you're coming from re: samey-ness, but i disagree. the album sounds more uniform to me, and once the idiosyncracies of each song work their way in, you're left with a considerably greater impact than on the first album (shock of the new aside). i think Untrue is a big move forward in terms of depth, technique, and emotion. he took the same ghostly, Frankenstein-esque ethos that he applied to the drums, bass, and samples, and applied it to vocal science--it isn't just another layer; it totally changes the way the music affects you. this sounds like the ghosts and voices of [your city here] coming out the woodworks after the isolation and implied memories of the self-titled LP. the music has meaning in the purest, most expressive sense. this was a really sound, perhaps a bit cautious, but well-considered artistic step forward.

if anything it's TOO much--the heavy, melodic ambient stuff started to weigh down on me today--but the garage tracks are the bomb. "Archangel" is the one, it's a genuinely moving pop song; but "Near Dark" is pretty overlooked too, like a slightly disorted mirror image of the previous song--demented and quite lost.

Maybe newer directions can be awesome too, i just don't see infinite richness. i meant infinite richness not in terms of style, but in the same sense that you think of any great work of art--it's open-ended; you keep hearing new things and making new associations for yourself, etc. the music is also very detailed--the crackle, bass harmonics, and various vocal inflections are subtly shifting all the time, and the drumwork is a lot better than before IMO.

i'm interested in hearing more along the lines of "Stairwell," which was a hyperdark rave stormer that doesn't sound much like anything on these last two LPs. i think he has plenty of ideas left to go :)

[Tom]

i'm interested in hearing more along the lines of "Stairwell," which was a hyperdark rave stormer that doesn't sound much like anything on these last two LPs.

What and where the fuck.

[kid cue]

http://kode9.blogspot.com/2007/05/mix-for-sonar-festival.html

[Strangelet]

so what about Deadbeat's journeyman's diary.

I think its keen.

[Leon]

http://kode9.blogspot.com/2007/05/mix-for-sonar-festival.html

Thanks for that, gonna check it out!

Anyway, I've finally been listening to Untrue, and I think the first part of the album is really, really good! It has great melodies, great vibes and quite varying songs. Etched Headplate is fucked up, I love it. I also love In Mc Donalds for its subtle sounds, while the piano-ish sound really hits you at some unexpected moments. Archangel, Near Dark and Ghost Hardware are great. I haven't paid enough attention to the second part of the album yet, though, will listen to it more.

I have moved away from the thought that Untrue "should have been" different from his first, like STITI was from Dubno. I do still think that there are some of the wooshes and "glitter" sounds in there that are too similar to those on his first album. He could have easily used other sounds to create the same effect. They are quite original sounds though, you don't hear them in any other music. Not like that, anyway.

[BrotherLovesDub]

burial isn't dubstep. nothing about this LP is dubstep. some of the same influences that other dubstep artists/songs/albums have but i would not classify this LP as dubstep.

[kid cue]

give me a break. he is considered part of dubstep by the dubstep scene. you can't come up with a musical definition that counters that.

[BrotherLovesDub]

if his reference points on this album are Ambient, 2-Step, DnB and Techno, which is what it sounds like to me, what part of it is Dubstep?

which song on the new album is dubstep and why?

[kid cue]

i consider all of it dubstep. there's a dub influence and a 2-step influence.

also, every track with beats save the 4x4 one is every bit as dubstep as anything El-B or Horsepower ever did. let me guess, they aren't dubstep either because they didn't use halfstep beats.

jeez, i really didn't want to get into this on music mag terms already. Burial is caned by the entire dubstep scene and vice versa. is that not enough to make him part of dubstep? what about Shackleton? or 2562, or Quarta 330? what if they told Timbaland he wasn't hip-hop because he was listening to Bjork and Coldplay instead of James Brown?

[BrotherLovesDub]

is any song with 2step rhythms, spooky atmosphere and basslines stolen from Rave/DnB considered Dubstep?

i'd say Burial is more of an Ambient Techno producer than anything else on this new album.

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://insectmind.com/audio/struggledubs5_insectmind.mp3

peverelist-roll with the punches-punch drunk
2562-channel one-tectonic
basic channel-octaedre-basic channel
shackleton-you bring me down-skull disco
2562-channel two-tectonic
ramadanman-good feelin-2nd drop
random trio-press button(cyrus steppers version)-dubwar
mrk1-steppa delights-earwax
benga-skank-big apple
the bug-skeng(kode9 rmx)-hyperdub
2562-circulate-tectonic
kromestar-marz attak-deep medi
shed-substence(a made up sound rmx)-solo action
rsd-pretty bright light-punch drunk
shackleton-massacre-scuba
martyn-broken-revolver
t++-space pong breaks-erosion
gatekeeper-let go-punch drunk
t++-allied-erosion

[BrotherLovesDub]

i've heard Techno DJ's play the theme song from Star Wars, does that make the theme from Star Wars a techno song?

i've heard dubstep dj's play Basic Channel (see the above mix), does that make Basic Channel Dubstep?

and no, i don't consider Horsepower to be dubstep. an influence on dubstep, and perhaps proto-dubstep, but not dubstep.

[BrotherLovesDub]

you're the one stuck with music mag terms. you want to just place him in the dubstep section and move on. this music is more than dubstep. it has the same reference points as some dubstep but it's not dubstep in my book.

[kid cue]

is any song with 2step rhythms, spooky atmosphere and basslines stolen from Rave/DnB considered Dubstep?
i'm not sure what part of this is not getting through. those things combined, and more, are considered dubstep if a) the dubstep scene vibes off it; and b) there is no b. i like how you're trying to spin that as a narrow-minded definition, but it's actually the opposite.

[kid cue]

and no, i don't consider Horsepower to be dubstep. an influence on dubstep, and perhaps proto-dubstep, but not dubstep.
that is really silly and pretentious.

[kid cue]

you're the one stuck with music mag terms. you want to just place him in the dubstep section and move on. this music is more than dubstep. it has the same reference points as some dubstep but it's not dubstep in my book. oh my god.

do you see what you just did in that post?

1. you accuse me of having a dubstep box.

2. you create your own idea of a dubstep box that Burial doesn't belong in.

please give some thought to yourself k thx bye.

[kid cue]

i've heard Techno DJ's play the theme song from Star Wars, does that make the theme from Star Wars a techno song?

i've heard dubstep dj's play Basic Channel (see the above mix), does that make Basic Channel Dubstep?

and no, i don't consider Horsepower to be dubstep. an influence on dubstep, and perhaps proto-dubstep, but not dubstep.
ok, now define hip-hop.

[BrotherLovesDub]

get one new snarky asshat meme, kthxbye

:P

[BrotherLovesDub]

rhyming lyrics to a beat. appx. 70-100 bpm.

that's as a musical style, not hip-hop as a culture

[BrotherLovesDub]

btw, before i beat this dead horse anymore, please listen to that mix i posted. that mix to me touches on dubstep but it's not a "dubstep" mix in my mind.

[kid cue]

rhyming lyrics to a beat. appx. 70-100 bpm.

that's as a musical style, not hip-hop as a culture
a lot of people disagree with you. what was hip-hop before the first hip-hop records were made? what was dubstep before you heard about it? i presume neither existed.

[kid cue]

btw, before i beat this dead horse anymore, please listen to that mix i posted. that mix to me touches on dubstep but it's not a "dubstep" mix in my mind. i know most of those tracks and they're fantastic. i've heard plenty of dubstep/techno crossover mixes and to me they sound like both. don't you think that is possible? the point is that dubstep itself is more than you think it is, not that everyone should realize Burial is more than dubstep (which is frankly obvious yet not mutually exclusive).

talking about where things are going is more interesting than talking about what things are not.

[BrotherLovesDub]

find me a mix as good or better than the one i posted. i love that sound.

[BrotherLovesDub]

a lot of people disagree with you.

yeah, no shit. i tend to want fewer genre titles. i prefer to call everything electronic music and then describe it from there w/r/t tempo, lyrics or not, and atmosphere. i'm not a huge fan of Minimal this, micro that, IDM, breakcore etc. Fewer genres is what we need. That's why i'd like to not shove Burial into what is fast becoming a very stale genre.


before hip hop there was gil scott heron and the Last Poets. it was called either jazz fusion or soul music.

dubstep before i heard of it...well, there was no time that i didn't know about it but we called it sublow or just instrumental grime.

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://www.discogs.com/release/1009964

ZOMG. how can it be labelled both Breakbeat and Dubstep if the dubstep scene is vibing off it? someone call Discogs Moderator Hotline!

[BrotherLovesDub]

http://www.discogs.com/release/829467

dubstep heads are vibing off that too. no mention of dubstep. so is T++ dubstep? it mixes with Dubstep and dubstep heads are diggin it/buying it/mixing it. so does that make it dubstep?

[kid cue]

i had a v. good dubstep v techno mix that i deleted to save space. blogariddims 24 and 26 are excellent (esp 26). that one you posted has the best tracklist i've seen in a while, though.

[kid cue]

http://www.discogs.com/release/1009964

ZOMG. how can it be labelled both Breakbeat and Dubstep if the dubstep scene is vibing off it? someone call Discogs Moderator Hotline!
you're very contradictory. on the one hand you want to do away with genres, on the other you use them to prove your unclear points.

[kid cue]

http://www.discogs.com/release/829467

dubstep heads are vibing off that too. no mention of dubstep. so is T++ dubstep? it mixes with Dubstep and dubstep heads are diggin it/buying it/mixing it. so does that make it dubstep? um. i think YES?!?!!!???!!?!?!!?!!!!!!

[BrotherLovesDub]

Boxcutter - Sunshine VIP - Oneiric

what genre is that song?

[kid cue]

Boxcutter - Sunshine VIP - Oneiric

what genre is that song? it sounded like dubstep the first time i heard it, and i was sad that more producers weren't exploring in the same way. are you done? :rolleyes:

yeah, no shit. i tend to want fewer genre titles.

[BrotherLovesDub]

not quite done. what genre would you file Various Production under?

maybe i do have too narrow a definition of dubstep. i'm unsure now, but it's something i want to explore.

[kid cue]

i don't know. trip-hop? :P

a few tracks sound like grime--that "Hater" instrumental has been versioned and remixed by a number of grime artists. it makes sense, given the way it sounds.

[joethelion]

I've always sort of grouped Various Production into the whole 'dubstep' category / scene... but sort of in the way that Massive Attack & Tricky were 'trip hop' - yet at the same time very much not

I think as time has progressed, there was this really emphatic sense that you had to category each style of music within a box... not only to 'make it easy' to find specific sounds you'd want (as someone purchasing music) but also to give a sense of unique identity within each genre. Like, the producer now has a name/craft to identify with. (like, "I work with wooden furniture so I must be a carpenter")

but the only problem is - the categories got way way way way too specific, while musicians simultaneously started crossing genres (there's a clever quote that David Byrne said about this on "Sessions @ West 54th" a while back, but I forget it - I think I have that show recorded somewhere...)

and genre's - in general - have become pretty pointless. Like, how would you classify someone like Sebastian, Justice, or Digitalism? I've heard each of them described as "electro"... but they sound remarkedly different than to say - Tiefschwarz, Mylo, Two Lone Swordsmen, or even The Egyptian Lover & Afrika Bambaataa - who have also been classified as "electro"

[kid cue]

i think the only reason Various Production get grouped with dubstep is becasue dubstep gets name-dropped for no reason whenever critics write about them. but i agree, the micro-genre labels have become increasingly pointless, partly because it seems people are getting tired of it, and partly because the music itself doesn't seem to care too much. today there's a certain idea of "dubstep", "minimal", etc, but i think the names only stick because of a few broad musical qualities (low-end, crunchiness, etc) and the scenes that form around them. this can only be a good thing IMO :)

[BrotherLovesDub]

Various are less dubstep to you than Burial? I completely disagree. alright, Various obv. do many diff. genres but they've also done tunes that are much closer to the sound of dubstep than Burial. guess what? Dubstep dj's vibe off/play Various cuts! i guess i would be OK with defining some songs of Burial's as dubstep but mostly his albums sound like Ambient albums that are influenced by 2step, dub and dnb. It's not that different to The Orb's first couple albums except when the Orb were making those records, the pillaged genres were diff; DnB and 2step had yet to happen so they took elements from other sources. if you're willing to say Various are not a dubstep artist for some of their songs being clearly outside the genre, why don't you make that distinction for Burial?


btw, i wouldn't describe Various to someone or label/file Various under Dubstep either. while they've made some Dubstep tunes, they're not so easily categorized. same as Burial in my book.

[jose m]

balearic ???????:)

[kid cue]

Various are less dubstep to you than Burial? I completely disagree. alright, Various obv. do many diff. genres but they've also done tunes that are much closer to the sound of dubstep than Burial. guess what? Dubstep dj's vibe off/play Various cuts!
that's fine, i don't really listen to Various and i've never heard them played out, so it's my personal dubstep mind that doesn't care. they may have made tracks that have archetypal dubstep qualities, but they don't have the same social-cultural-musical resonance that Burial has (not just for me but for everyone), even if none of his songs resemble the "standard dubstep template" as much as 1 or 2 Various songs. as far as "dubstep" goes, Various mean about as much to me as Squarepusher appeals to my junglist side (ie 0.1%).

i guess i would be OK with defining some songs of Burial's as dubstep but mostly his albums sound like Ambient albums that are influenced by 2step, dub and dnb.
i don't see what the point of making this distinction is. you say you aren't preoccupied with genre labels but you clearly are, insofar as they help you find the "truth" about what an artist's genre DNA is. fine if Burial sounds like ambient that has dnb in it, but RIGHT NOW he is also a dubstep artist making dubstep records that emerge from the dubstep scene. Mala draws from house and makes dubstep. ditto Loefah for hip-hop. what's the point? everything has the potential of sounding like such-and-such album that is influenced by such-and-such genres.

[BrotherLovesDub]

certainly Burial isn't part of the Dubstep scene. he's going through great lengths to not be seen as coming from any camp. i think you are making a distinction between Burial and Various because you think Various is cheesy while Burial has cred. Various and Burial are both on the periphery of Dubstep. Neither deserves to be labelled Dubstep.

If you asked Burial what kind of music he makes do you think he'd say Dubstep?

[kid cue]

certainly Burial isn't part of the Dubstep scene. he's going through great lengths to not be seen as coming from any camp. i think you are making a distinction between Burial and Various because you think Various is cheesy while Burial has cred. Various and Burial are both on the periphery of Dubstep. Neither deserves to be labelled Dubstep.
why do you have to come up with a personal issue that people have whenever they disagree with your musical opinions? i don't think Various is cheesy and i never said anything like that. Burial obviously DOES have cred; that's 50% of what i've been trying to say.

he is a pretty unique figure in that he & his music are based on being an observer/commentator on the scene, but they're also embraced by the scene.

If you asked Burial what kind of music he makes do you think he'd say Dubstep?
i don't know. for this purpose, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. dubstep loves Burial and so he is a part of it. i do know that he himself is part of the dubstep scene, and that he adores El-B and DMZ productions, while being well aware his music isn't made for the dancefloor. i don't know what that all means wrt whether discogs.com should be able to give him a dubstep tag or not, and i don't care.

[Leon]

The only song I really can't stand though, is Shell Of Light. track 10 on the album, just like Broken Home on the first album, which I can't stand either. What the fuck was he thinking.

For the rest, I'm enjoying it really much.

[kid cue]

i feel the same way about Shell of Light, it sounds like Charles Webster (who i like, but.........). still trying to get into it.

[joethelion]

so - I finally got the flac of the album off of bleep

and daaaaaamn

some of that bass is heavy

it's crazy how dependent the music is on having the audio in uncompressed format... and I feel it's much more noticeable on Burial's second album than on the first

I also finally got around to buying that "Mary Anne Hobbs - Warrior Dubz" compilation... I already had a good portion of the tracks on it, but there were some I either wanted in lossless (b/c I only had them in mp3) or still hadn't scored a copy of a couple of others

if there was only like... one club within the loose region around the midwest that played this shit, as the only chances I have to get a proper listen of that deep sub-bass is in my car or at my father's home on his magna-planar speakers

[Leon]

i feel the same way about Shell of Light, it sounds like Charles Webster (who i like, but.........). still trying to get into it.

Hey Kid Cue, as you seem to be the "expert" around here for this kind of music: I'm looking for an off tha hook, raw, hard grime set. I Luv U (sorry to give you this obvious example, I'm new to the music) kinda stuff. Loud crashing snares and aggressive rapping. And bass of course.

Do you know a good one?

[dubman]

what's wrong with shell of light?

what wrong with any of it, actually

[joethelion]

yea - "Untrue" is a fabulous album, and it def much more cohesive of an album over the first one

[kid cue]

Hey Kid Cue, as you seem to be the "expert" around here for this kind of music: I'm looking for an off tha hook, raw, hard grime set. I Luv U (sorry to give you this obvious example, I'm new to the music) kinda stuff. Loud crashing snares and aggressive rapping. And bass of course.

Do you know a good one?
in 2007 it doesn't get any better than:

Fuck Radio 5 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/dt8vbc)

(Ghetto, Devlin, Griminal, Chipmunk, Lightning, Big Seac, et al on Ghetto's birthday)

[GforGroove]

what's wrong with shell of light?

what wrong with any of it, actually

Yeah! What's wrong with Shell of light? i looove it. But i do love more the fainted female voice in Raver. Oh man, Untrue is such a HOT album.

But really, UK is the most beautiful thing.

[Leon]

in 2007 it doesn't get any better than:

Fuck Radio 5 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/dt8vbc)

(Ghetto, Devlin, Griminal, Chipmunk, Lightning, Big Seac, et al on Ghetto's birthday)

Thanks, been enjoying it. I'm finally getting into this shit.

[Jafs]

I noticed the source for the sample in "Endorphin". I was watching Silent Hill the movie yesterday(what a boring one I must say), and just at the end, on the last shot of the movie, the music starts with the "yeaaah yaa yeaaah".

Go check this out.

[clango]

haaaa how perfect is that that dude sampled from silent hill the movie? i think quite perfect.

i still just can't get over archangel. that track is amazing.

[EuroZeroZero]

just getting into this now.

really really impressive. a really cool dark vibe that doesn't take long to get really immersed in.

[Eikman]

he also sampled Aaliyah on "In McDonalds"

compare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLldF8s_zc

(very last bit)

[kid cue]

Archangel (Leif remix) (http://negrophonic.com/mp3/ArchangelLeifRemix.mp3)

baltimore bounce remix of Archangel. honestly, try it. i'm actually not sure which version is better.

[holden]

Well, this is quite a thread, and it seems Burial is highly praised, by critics and dirtyfans alike...
I finally listened in to some websamples of Burial and dubstep in general. Not sure i'm feeling it (yet). Seems sort of a souped-up version of the IDM craze from a few years back, when the more arythmic or off-beat the beat, the better. Surely a lot of effort goes into the programming, but imho, it's just the latest subgenre to make an underground splash, and if history holds, it won't have staying power. But then, maybe dubstep or whatever just isn't my cup-o-tea? Correct me where i'm wrong! :o

[GforGroove]

so.. talking about Burial i heard Milanese..
what you guys think? i feel is like hard-core Burial.

[Tom]

Seems sort of a souped-up version of the IDM craze from a few years back, when the more arythmic or off-beat the beat, the better.


You're wrong. The difference between Burial / Dubstep and IDM is that Burial and Dubstep are fucking music, while IDM is stupid fucking lame poser shit that is rarely worth a fucking look.

Fuck I hate IDM.

[jose m]

sub genre of a sub genre sorta thing imo.feeling "heartbroken" more !

[joethelion]

websamples = shitty sound quality = no bass
you really need to listen to burial in lossless

(or at the very least 320 kbps)
yes - it makes a difference

[kid cue]

sub genre of a sub genre sorta thing imo.feeling "heartbroken" more !
T2? fuck yeah. a real hardcore vibe in that one. didn't realize how much i'd missed it!

[dubman]

You're wrong. The difference between Burial / Dubstep and IDM is that Burial and Dubstep are fucking music, while IDM is stupid fucking lame poser shit that is rarely worth a fucking look.

Fuck I hate IDM.

and here i am getting right back into it.
new autechre album 3/3 :dance:

[Tom]

Don't even get me fucking started on fucking autechre.

Quick, someone make a thread about how to pronounce 'autechre'.






FUCK AUTECHRE



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[dubman]

lol am i a poser tom :(
how do you pronounce quaristice
's what their new albums called.

anyway about burial: mom stole both my burial cds and played them at work really loud and she likes it a lot. lol

[Leon]

Don't even get me fucking started on fucking autechre.

Quick, someone make a thread about how to pronounce 'autechre'.

__

Their first album is great, though. Don't know the rest of their stuff.

[Leon]

Don't even get me fucking started on fucking autechre.

Quick, someone make a thread about how to pronounce 'autechre'.

__

Their first album is great, though. Don't know the rest of their stuff.

[Leon]

Don't even get me fucking started on fucking autechre.

Quick, someone make a thread about how to pronounce 'autechre'.

__

Their first album is great, though. Don't know the rest of their stuff.

[patrick]

Was their first albumn great? Do you know the rest of their stuff?

[Jafs]

anyway about burial: mom stole both my burial cds and played them at work really loud and she likes it a lot. lol

is your mom single ?



:D

[dubman]

" i was looking him up and i find all these things that i completely dont understand. pshewwww! all over my head! something-step or what i dont know... some sort of garage.. uk garage... what?! hahahahahaha. is kode 9 or skream any good? thats what i got when i looked him up."

[Tom]

Was their first albumn great? Do you know the rest of their stuff?

I lolled.

[Leon]

Was their first albumn great? Do you know the rest of their stuff?

Their first album is great. I don't know the rest of their stuff.

[mmm skyscraper]

Burial has remixed "And It Rained All Night" by Thom Yorke.

http://hypem.com/track/444380

[joethelion]

yea...
but it kinda just sounds like Thom's vocal thrown over a pre-existing burial track, doesn't it?

[BrotherLovesDub]

it's horrible. modeselektor, various production, surgeon, the bug and the field all turned in better remixes.

[Jafs]

new track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Rxxx5pCkA

[BrotherLovesDub]

Moth/Wolf Cub w/ Four Tet has leaked. Both sides are good but I think i prefer Moth after a couple listens.