Welcome to Born Dirty

[TheBang]

If you're very observant, you might have noticed a small change to the forums today. ;)

The Dirty Collective has been working very hard for the past few months, and is very proud to launch the ultimate Underworld fan community, Born Dirty! The name change is the perfect reflection of our heritage and our love of Underworld.

The site is still a work in progress, but over time, we will be incorporating content that is currently spread amongst various disparate sites, as well as creating new content. We aim to make this site and community your one-stop shop for all things Underworld.

A lot of people have contributed input to this project, but we would like to acknowledge the people who have put in many, many hours to make this possible: Mike, ThingInABook, Dunwho, stimpee, Yannick, and TheBang. And a special thanks to lloyd for allowing us to import his several years' worth of Underworld news.

We welcome any thoughts or feedback you might have about the new community.

[testudo]

i miss brown... i hope we go back to brown once this UW release is finished.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

I like it!! So what is the "words" section for? Great job guys :)

[Caprice]

holy shit

[King of Snake]

my thoughts exactly.

I support the idea of having everying in one place but please bring back the brown. White/grey is NOT dirty enough!

[lectoid]

i miss brown... i hope we go back to brown once this UW release is finished.

Thirded.

[froopy seal]

I'm all for the beautiful header and the new, centralized, categorized content. But, yeah, bring back de brown. At least, no white, please.

[potatobroth]

ugh. reading on white makes me :(

top looks real nice tho! :)

[stimpee]

this new site has been launched, and all people can bitch about is a 10 year old brown theme.

[phaseblue]

Personally, I love it!

It`s sleek, professional, organized, and consistent!
And as for the brown; hey I liked it too, but nothing can stay the same forever!
It was long overdue for a change!

Great job guys ;)

[big screen satellite]

i like, maybe make the white a magnolia colour, but no more brown... we're in new happy clean era... well done for those who tidied this up ;)

[dubman]

guys, let go of the brown already. it'll be okay.

i like it fine, looks good, easy to use, design jargon blah = good job.
that face was a dumb idea though

used to be "official unofficial"

are "official" now

[potatobroth]

its not only about the brown, its about message boards with black text on white backgrounds. you don't usually see it that way for a reason ;) its terrible on the eyes.

in fact, right here in the Quick Reply box, you'll notice its light blue/grey with grey text and SUPER easy on the yes.

[the mongoose]

I agree that Brown needs to be reinstated.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Just offer other style sheets in the lower left hand dropdown.

Can we get some actual news from the band now? It sucks that people who read Spin.com first thing in the morning know more about what's happening with Underworld than the people who check Dirty first thing in the morning.

[Spooky Shoes]

I don't mind a change from the Brown as it did remind me of something that fell out of my arse but, bright light, bright light.

http://i54.tinypic.com/uvja0.jpg

[testudo]

reading black text on white sucks. its that simple... unless your eye sight is horrible.

[fraser]

Basically loving the new design, but please consider changing the white background to a light grey, or drop the text colour to something lighter (or both).

Great job though, loving the header.

[Cadevil]

I miss the old purple background...;)

[Mike]

Brown is old. Grey is subjective. Get used to White. It's staying. ;)

[Sappys Curry]

Just offer other style sheets in the lower left hand dropdown.



I agree. Keep the new style, but allow forum users to change the forum look to the old brown style if they want to have that style. That is the best solution.

[lloyd]

Congrats on the launch of the borndirty.org.
I like it. I like the dirtyradio topbar. And I like the new look. Great work people!
And of course I was happy to share the contents of my old blog with the community. Keep up the good work and make all underworld fans proud of our own dirty little corner of the interwebs.
Thnx to all involved.

[potatobroth]

I do however, want to say how awesome the overall site is! great to have all this content in one place. well done.

that said, sadly, black on white for a message board, is begging for complaints. i can't get used to it. its not right.

[Eikman]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t4C3ygzAGNk/SZjiY5O31AI/AAAAAAAAAIU/WYngW2_RG98/s400/wtf_is_this_shit.jpg

[Champiness]

I agree. Keep the new style, but allow forum users to change the forum look to the old brown style if they want to have that style. That is the best solution.

I agree agree!

This is great! Logging on today to see the new site was so refreshing... I've yet to actually use any of the new features, but suffice to say my feelings right now are comparable to when the Chemical Brothers forum got an upgrade recently. It makes me want to come on here even more!

[Dunwho]

Great work by all the people involved... thrilled to finally see it up and running after months of work.. and its only gonna get better.

I like white..

[Dunwho]

I would also like to point out that there is an "External Resources" list in the footer of the site. These resources will hopefully be incorporated more into the site in time.. but for the moment be aware that they exist and you can visit them by navigating to the bottom of the page..

[Andrea]

Excellent work everyone but please bring back the colour.

[Rog]

nice....but too hurty on my eye's (they're not as god as they used to be)

[Lx_Nen]

mmm clean looking dirt. I like it!

[m.g.]

holy shit
I have to admit that it's exactly what I thought when I logged in this afternoon... but then, I got used to it, and I think it's very cool.

Header and footer are great.

Many thanks for the "lot of people" who made this possible :)

[the-star-samurai]

I love the change! The brown was easy on the eyes, but it's been like that for how long? (I don't even know.)
I am a huge sucker for high contrast and bright colors - so this layout is a really really nice surprise to log into today. :D And the new name is awesome. Thanks to whoever contributed to this. ♥ :D

[//\/\/]

screw brown - this looks fantastic - really nice job!

[Mr.Grumpy]

thanks to everyone who contributes and keeps this site up.

[darktrain]

Cheers to all involved for the redesign!
Would love the option for "classic brown", but I'm sure that will fade over time.

That said, SOME sort of alt color scheme is needed for the light-sensitive.:cool:

[bryantm3]

I LOVE THE NEW HEADER SO MUCH! PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT AWAY, BUT PLEASE MAKE THE BACKGROUND BROWN SOMETIME LATER, WITH THE NEW HEADER INTACT.


that pretty much describes my exact feeling. the new site is awesome. reminds me of duran duran's 'rio' plus new order's 'technique' plus the new record plus... oh wow. this is great. you guys are awesome. thanks!

[dirtytomato]

this new site has been launched, and all people can bitch about is a 10 year old brown theme.


Brown!!!!!!

I think it was over 10 years old. :p

[dirtytomato]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t4C3ygzAGNk/SZjiY5O31AI/AAAAAAAAAIU/WYngW2_RG98/s400/wtf_is_this_shit.jpg

lol

[luminary]

i like the new dirt

and i am liking borndirty

[Eikman]

so, after the obvious troll post i'm going to tell what i really feel about the new site....

it's decent. i think it's a good idea to incorporate the different sources and make it more of a centralized place...they way it actually used to be.

the white is fine with me. what is it with you guys complaining about black text on white background? do you have your text editors and pdf viewers inverted as well? because the last time i checked it's pretty much the same....and nobody complains about google or the new york times being hard on the eyes either....maybe you should optimize your screens.

anyhoo, well done.

but you should definitely clean up the source code. because 115 errors (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.borndirty.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0) is a lot. and most of it can be easily fixed.

[potatobroth]

what is it with you guys complaining about black text on white background? do you have your text editors and pdf viewers inverted as well? because the last time i checked it's pretty much the same...

1) optimized browsers
2) message boards don't often display blocks of text, they display single lines with tons of white-space.
3) header bars, icons, dates, etc just add to an eye strain on a white background. it's a usability nono for message boards.

Look at a text-editor like MSWord and then this forum. You can't honestly tell me that it gives off the same eye strain.

I'm being dead honest, and not whiny, but I have a very hard time reading this forum now because of the white. I TOTALLY appreciate the work that went into changing it, and love that its all in one place now, but to me, this site is first and foremost a forum -- and one that I've been using for ~10 years.

[Deckard]

I like. Nice work guys.

All it needs are some shiny new icons n buttons ;)

[stimpee]

so, after the obvious troll post i'm going to tell what i really feel about the new site....

it's decent. i think it's a good idea to incorporate the different sources and make it more of a centralized place...they way it actually used to be.

the white is fine with me. what is it with you guys complaining about black text on white background? do you have your text editors and pdf viewers inverted as well? because the last time i checked it's pretty much the same....and nobody complains about google or the new york times being hard on the eyes either....maybe you should optimize your screens.

anyhoo, well done.

but you should definitely clean up the source code. because 115 errors (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.borndirty.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0) is a lot. and most of it can be easily fixed.hey eik thanks for the troll and the criticism. we'll fix the errors asap, and we are discussing a variation on a brown theme which may or may not happen. if anyone else has any suggestions then make a note of them and we'll try to take them onboard.

[ThingInABook]

yeah, i'm supposed to update the icons asap, hope to have that sorted out this weekend.

PLEASE, if you see something unusual (bugs and such) or weird stuff on the style of the forum (excepting the 'it's not brown' thing), send me a PM.

the images used for the header and footer are here: http://www.borndirty.org/2010/09/project-we-do-scribble/ - this project is still going if anyone wants to donate images ;)

[froopy seal]

if anyone else has any suggestions then make a note of them and we'll try to take them onboard.There was that temporary forum once, at a different URL, some years back, a restart that went wrong. It had a different colour theme (guess if some users "wanted back the brown"...). Dark blue, red and white maybe? I seem to remember to have liked it. Could I be any more vague?

I'm not a fanatic advocate of the brown theme, but I, too, find that much white hard on the eyes. Therefore, some colour would be highly appreciated.

Apart from that: Brilliant job on the overall design and graphics. Like it more and more. Thanks to everyone involved.

[kagenaki koe]

http://alaundre.com/untitled.jpg

really minor, but this is really bugging me:o

[Mike]

but you should definitely clean up the source code. because 115 errors (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.borndirty.org%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0) is a lot. and most of it can be easily fixed.

lol, thanks eikman.. trust you to validate my work ;) your like a customer who tells someone how to do their job hehe...

yeah sorry i havent got around to validating yet, i will work on the bugs gradually... but for now, if it works in your browser we are fine... but yes, over the next couple of weeks these errors will disapear.

any major issues, you can pm me or anyone else on teamdirty.

mike

[Mike]

really minor, but this is really bugging me:o

yeah, thats actually intentional, not a sloppy mistake... ;)

[grady]

I like the change and the structural movement from unofficial 'official' to official official.

I am going to be one of those erudite individuals who has always liked, and admired the choice of brown as a forum background. It's always been the opposite of every other forum I've frequented over the years and the color served to reinforce the messages being displayed, not distract from them.

Just a thought on bringing back the brown.

Otherwise, good work.

[cacophony]

Thanks for all your hard work on this, guys. The brown served us well but it was time for a change. The header looks great.

So how official is "official?"

[Eikman]

lol, thanks eikman.. trust you to validate my work ;) your like a customer who tells someone how to do their job hehe...


and you know the customer is always right ;)

[Dunwho]

...... ........ ...... tiny little thing at the bottom of the page...no need for sunglasses anymore

[bas_I_am]

I would have only one suggestion. . . tighten up the white space. In 1280x1024, almost half of the vertical page layout is header, navigation, and menu. This, in my opinion, should take up (at most) 15% of a page.

Perhaps the contents of "header_bar_1" and "header_bar_4" could be rendered vertically in a div down the left side of the page.

Besides that, I love it. Nice job!!!

[froopy seal]

...... ........ ...... tiny little thing at the bottom of the page...no need for sunglasses anymore+1

Light blue = easy on old eyes. Thanks.

[darktrain]

...... ........ ...... tiny little thing at the bottom of the page...no need for sunglasses anymore

Perfect compromise. Much thanks!

[Dunwho]

Thanks are due for Thing In A Book btw

[TheBang]

Today, the font size and face for posts on the forum has gone back to what it was on the old forum. For some reason, that makes it a lot more readable for me. Anyone else feel that way too?

[Scott Warner]

Nicely done guys!

For a fun look through the years:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990208004053/http://dirty.org/ (1999-2000)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010509120733/http://www.dirty.org/ (2000-2001)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021121235458/http://www.dirty.org/ (2002-2004)
http://web.archive.org/web/20050102090950/http://www.dirty.org/ (2005-2005)
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211062852/http://www.dirty.org/ (2005-2007)

There were a couple of other designs that unfortunately do not seem to have been archived. There was a very cool one prior to 1999 that I seem to have lost forever. Between Brown and Yannick's first site in 2002 there was another we had as well that had much popping up, abstract fun and suggestive images. I'll post some of that stuff one day if I can find it.

[the mongoose]

Nice walk through memory lane Scott. Thanks!:cool:

[ThingInABook]

new forum icons uploaded. so get trigger happy with the F5.

[potatobroth]

HUGE improvement! Well done! (LOOOOVE the icons too)

grey > * > ess gee > white

[bryantm3]

ooh, the icons are nice.

[bryantm3]

wow, that goes back before my time. the oldest one i remember is the one from 02-04.

[wooter]

I like it. It's not the first time the site looked like the album :)


For a fun look through the years:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990208004053/http://dirty.org/ (1999-2000)


You have no idea what that little design did to my life :)

[potatobroth]

I like it. It's not the first time the site looked like the album :)



You have no idea what that little design did to my life :)

yup. that one holds a special place for me too.

[wooter]

That's nice to hear, because I made it, it got caught on a local radio station, where someone was listening to, which gave me a job, which gave me 3 years of working experience while my peers went to college right before and during the dotcom bubble burst, and basically is the basis of my current professional life :).

One could claim that basis is actually me playing Wolfenstein 3D with a friend who had a computer while in highschool, but hey :P.

[Scott Warner]

You have no idea what that little design did to my life .
The experience of working with this Dirty stuff inspired me to get off the path in life I was on and get involved with something creative. It had a massive impact on my success in life.

That is excellent to read! =]

[potatobroth]

The experience of working with this Dirty stuff inspired me to get off the path in life I was on and get involved with something creative. It had a massive impact on my success in life.

That is excellent to read! =]

Same here. I started doing photoshop duels with fellow dirts - sharpening my creative skils, and ended up landing a job in a more creative field than I was working in. I'm still friends with all of those dirts today some 8-10 years later.

[froopy seal]

new forum icons uploaded.I like!

(Why is there no thumbs-up smiley for the posts?)

[TheBang]

(Why is there no thumbs-up smiley for the posts?)
You're not looking hard enough

[froopy seal]

You're not looking hard enoughNo, no, I meant for putting it in the post text, not in the post title (saw that one).

[ThingInABook]

oh yeah, by popular demand, there are new buttons around. so hit that F5!

[potatobroth]

shadow buttons even better. this is shaping up to be a pretty gorgeous site.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Really dig the new buttons. Looks great.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Loving the new look. :)

[BrotherLovesDub]

any way someone can kill the image posting?

[dubman]

NO DONT DO THAT

[TheBang]

any way someone can kill the image posting?
It's not gonna happen. This place was boring without images.

[Dunwho]

Hey all you new visitors out there make sure you introduce yourselves on the special "Introduce Yourself" Thread HERE:: http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?p=144296#post144296

Do it!

[King of Snake]

nice work on the new site people. I like it mostly. Yeah the white could be a bit less... white (the box I'm typing this in is sort of grey, which is already better).
Also can we get something along the line of the new icons for the top navigation bar? The nav bar looks pretty bland right now and sorta ugly with that grey gradient but those icons are pretty groovy.
News page looks a bit messy and there doesn't really seem to be a consistent look troughout the site (yet?) with some weird illustrated icons on the right side of the site pages that don't seem to fit with the rest of the look (megaphone, speech bubbles, blue cartoon bird) and some of the header text (like I SAW A MAN on the news page) that seems to be badly aliased (maybe a browser thing? Looks the same in Firefox and Chrome though). And perhaps the underworld social media links should be at the top of the site (perhaps next to the RSS feed button) rather than hidden away at the bottom, since they seem to be more and more important for people following and interacting with the band.

[TheBang]

some of the header text (like I SAW A MAN on the news page) that seems to be badly aliased (maybe a browser thing? Looks the same in Firefox and Chrome though).
It looks fine in all browsers to me. It's text, not graphics, so the rendering is up to your system. Do you maybe not have font smoothing enabled on your system?

[froopy seal]

Yeah the white could be a bit less... white (the box I'm typing this in is sort of grey, which is already better).User CP --> Settings & Options --> Edit Options --> aaallllll the way down to the bottom, choose 'Forum Skin: not so white BornDirty'.

Also can we get something along the line of the new icons for the top navigation bar? The nav bar looks pretty bland right now and sorta ugly with that grey gradient but those icons are pretty groovy.I like. :)

[TheBang]

User CP --> Settings & Options --> Edit Options --> aaallllll the way down to the bottom, choose 'Forum Skin: not so white BornDirty'.
Or, you could just use the drop-down menu in the bottom-left corner of every page. ;)

[froopy seal]

Or, you could just use the drop-down menu in the bottom-left corner of every page. ;)I did that at first but the site didn't save the setting, so I had to change it again on the next login. Until I found out where to change it permanently on the User Control Page.

[TheBang]

ah, gotcha. :)

[Mike]

And perhaps the underworld social media links should be at the top of the site (perhaps next to the RSS feed button) rather than hidden away at the bottom, since they seem to be more and more important for people following and interacting with the band.

We did consider this, but its more important for us if visitors stayed here, on this site, and not be distracted but other social interaction that is nothing to do with us - so the compromise was at the footer, with the other external links.

some weird illustrated icons on the right side of the site pages that don't seem to fit with the rest of the look (megaphone, speech bubbles, blue cartoon bird)

Yeah, these are just placeholders, they will be replaced during the next resfresh.

Mike

[King of Snake]

It looks fine in all browsers to me. It's text, not graphics, so the rendering is up to your system. Do you maybe not have font smoothing enabled on your system?

hmm well I'm looking at it on the Mac at work and it does look fine here, but not at home on my windows 7 machine. I'll check my settings at home (though I never noticed any problems with aliased fonts before).

[King of Snake]

User CP --> Settings & Options --> Edit Options --> aaallllll the way down to the bottom, choose 'Forum Skin: not so white BornDirty'.


ah thanks, that's much better!

[myrrh]

The new site is great.

Please let the brown be gone for good. This is much more refreshing and from a design perspective nobody keeps the same look for ten years.

[ThingInABook]

The new site is great.

Please let the brown be gone for good. This is much more refreshing and from a design perspective nobody keeps the same look for ten years.

:)

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/95%20Internet%20High-Five.jpg

[Mort]

Great work on the site lads , I've been away but Im back now and likes! what I sees

[froopy seal]

:)

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/95%20Internet%20High-Five.jpgHehe, nice one. But I must say you have a tiny (electronic) hand.

[bryantm3]

poo on that idea. i mean, i love the new site, it's great, refreshing and whatnot. but eventually it would be nice to have the brown back again, or to be able to switch between the two. it's like going into a warm log cabin with a bunch of friends (and hot chocolate!) vs. going out clubbing with a bunch of friends at this awesome new club. yeah, the club is cool, and i'd never give up the club for the log cabin, but i wouldn't give up the log cabin for the club either. see what i mean?

[TheBang]

I think you're saying that the log cabin is made of brown wood and hot chocolate.

[Dunwho]

poo on that idea. i mean, i love the new site, it's great, refreshing and whatnot. but eventually it would be nice to have the brown back again, or to be able to switch between the two. it's like going into a warm log cabin with a bunch of friends (and hot chocolate!) vs. going out clubbing with a bunch of friends at this awesome new club. yeah, the club is cool, and i'd never give up the club for the log cabin, but i wouldn't give up the log cabin for the club either. see what i mean?

Man you need to get out a bit more... too long in the log cabin.. ;)

[ultradave]

poo on that idea. i mean, i love the new site, it's great, refreshing and whatnot. but eventually it would be nice to have the brown back again, or to be able to switch between the two. it's like going into a warm log cabin with a bunch of friends (and hot chocolate!) vs. going out clubbing with a bunch of friends at this awesome new club. yeah, the club is cool, and i'd never give up the club for the log cabin, but i wouldn't give up the log cabin for the club either. see what i mean?

i love the analogy. but, I prefer the new artsy look. it's very spot on with the new release and change is always good. the log cabin is a nice place to visit, but i wouldn't want to live there! ;)

[Drix]

New design looks good and all. I like it, and I don't miss the brown, but black on white is really tough on the eyes as so many others have said. Any good designer should now that it hurts to read black on pure white after a while, and messageboards are mostly for reading. Please consider changing white for at least light gray. Listen to the people! Other that that. Great work guys!

[TheBang]

If you want light gray, go to the bottom-left corner of any screen, and change the drop-down style to "not so white BornDirty". If you want that change to be permanent, you can change it in your UserCP, under Options, I think.

[froopy seal]

If you want light gray, go to the bottom-left corner of any screen, and change the drop-down style to "not so white BornDirty". If you want that change to be permanent, you can change it in your UserCP, under Options, I think.

User CP --> Settings & Options --> Edit Options --> aaallllll the way down to the bottom, choose 'Forum Skin: not so white BornDirty'.I love quoting myself. :)

[machin chouette]

I dislike it ! so much you have no idea !

are you paid for that ?
My god i don't know what to do . Even the' bornDIRTY ' logo sucks !


Do you need a french version ? of your borndirty ?

[machin chouette]

It's not the first time the site looked like the album :)

You have no idea what that little design did to my life :)

I used to love that 'little design' (glad to know you ) (maybe you can do something to help the borndirty team)
And now I dislike what i can see here
and yes it's too white ! (i don't care for the brown)
I will stop now

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Where'd everyone go?

Strange. Truth is.

[IsiliRunite]

...needs more brown.