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Oooooooh....5.1 Surround version. I expect this will be good. :D
Winston
10-05-2005, 01:21 PM
yup, i have the track minimissions, sounds great
again a masterpiece
5.1 dvd and an mp3 set included for ipod users
*drool*
Jason Roth
10-05-2005, 01:25 PM
Going to see him on Friday in NYC with Lee Burridge - so psyched.
Winston
10-06-2005, 05:52 AM
november will be top month for me, 3 times
amsterdam, i love techno and fabric ( my birthday party)
Jason Roth
10-06-2005, 06:35 AM
Awesome. I'll be there at ILT as well.
Jason Roth
10-08-2005, 01:42 PM
Damn, Richie absolutely killed it last night. He kept Spirit, a club that's supposed to close at 6, rocking until 8.15! Sorry I don't have a more detailed review, but I'm still a little out of it. For all those going to see him in the near future, you will not be disappointed.
TheRev
10-09-2005, 05:01 AM
Damn, Richie absolutely killed it last night. He kept Spirit, a club that's supposed to close at 6, rocking until 8.15! Sorry I don't have a more detailed review, but I'm still a little out of it. For all those going to see him in the near future, you will not be disappointed.
I was there too and I had a completley different experience.
I'll be writing a more in depth review for Future Frequencies (http://www.gothamgrooves.com/FutureFrequencies)
But IMO richie was maaaaaaaaaad boring at points. Letting loops ride for waaaay too long. Now on the flip, when you sat and listened to what he was doing some of it was pretty clever reinterprations of shit in a very unique way. Did it make me want to move? Not really. In a lot of cases I kind felt like sleeping. I probably would have left MUCH earlier if I didn't end up bumpin into a super cute girl and spendin quality time with her.
I saw a LOT of people just standing around throughout the night. Now if you want to go to a club and hear interesting music then by all means go see Richie, but if you're looking to go out and get your dance on, Richie is not the DJ to see. You want a minimal DJ that will make you dance, go see Matthew Dear.
But yeh Richie kept it going mad late. I think though that some of hte morons there like the fool that must have snapped 15 pictures of him as he was getting his shit ready. I had a photo pass and I think I took less pictures than that. (sorry if that was you, but he's just a guy..not a god)
But I digress, what I was trying to say is folks like him would go ape for richie playing the same bleep and just fiddling with the volume just because it's Richie. And a lot of the time he did that, no real mixing of tracks, lots of volume/filter cutoff tricks. And it became rather formulaic. And yeh no other DJ does it, but it becomes as whack and overdone as a trance drumroll when you do it that often. Just as predictable.
Winston
10-09-2005, 05:56 AM
Damn, Richie absolutely killed it last night. He kept Spirit, a club that's supposed to close at 6, rocking until 8.15! Sorry I don't have a more detailed review, but I'm still a little out of it. For all those going to see him in the near future, you will not be disappointed.
close at 06.00? that's early!! was it part of is DE9 tour? or just a gig?
did you see Heartthrob at NYC? i have is set playing now, and it's fucking amazing
went to see Luciano last night, just got home it's 15.00 :D
@Fuse I presume ?
He was certainly great...
Winston
10-09-2005, 07:29 AM
hell yeah, afterwards to decadance offcourse :D
BrotherLovesDub
10-09-2005, 10:44 AM
Rev, it seems you're going to be writing about Richie but don't even understand what he's doing. You say he wasn't even mixing for a while/no real mixing of tracks...you should read his lttle article in the new URB or XLR8R to hear Richie talk about what he's doing live now, especially before you make some crucial mistakes in your piece.
//\/\/
10-09-2005, 12:32 PM
Rev, it seems you're going to be writing about Richie but don't even understand what he's doing. You say he wasn't even mixing for a while/no real mixing of tracks...you should read his lttle article in the new URB or XLR8R to hear Richie talk about what he's doing live now, especially before you make some crucial mistakes in your piece.
at the end of the day, as the rev says; if it doesn't move the dancefloor then what's the point? it's supposed to be for dancing to, not understanding the teeny-weeny intricacies of what he's up to, isn't it? when it gets to such a level of trainspottery it's a sure sign that the music's disappeared up his arse...
Jason Roth
10-09-2005, 05:24 PM
Actually, It wasn't about dancing at that point. It was about watching someone tweak and remake songs on the fly, and it was very impressive. You know what you're getting with Hawtin...he LOVES being Richie Hawtin...and yes, there were some times where I wanted things to keep going only to find him dropping the song back out, but that's what he was into that night. And when he brought it back in, in came in fiercely!
Ive been listening to lots of recent live Richie sets lately, and this is kinda what I expected. I guess different strokes for different folks.
BrotherLovesDub
10-09-2005, 08:02 PM
as we can see on this thread, 2 different people have 2 different experiences. who's to say TheRev's opinion is the right one? Who's to say the other poster who had a great time dancing is right? Many factors go into a persons enjoyment of a night in a club. Richie Hawtin isn't necessarily my favorite DJ but he's redefining what it means to be a DJ and TheRev's comments seemed to not understand how he's mixing, what he's mixing and why he's doing it the way he's doing it. It sounds like TheRev wanted Jeff Mills or Derrick Carter to be gurning behind the decks and playing booty house or banging techno. I'm interested in the general divide between digital dj's and old school jocks. Is Hawtin's approach the best? What happens next? Sasha's on board, so is his mini-me, James Zabiella. Underworld are using Live. Has it hurt their performances? It's a matter of interface and ability. and weed. ha! discuss.
jose m
10-10-2005, 02:44 AM
well said ! this isn't first time this debate has started in dance music and wont be the last.you need both sets of people to be excited by the music, however its produced, to make a strong and healthy scene.
Jason Roth
10-10-2005, 05:52 AM
at the end of the day, as the rev says; if it doesn't move the dancefloor then what's the point? it's supposed to be for dancing to, not understanding the teeny-weeny intricacies of what he's up to, isn't it? when it gets to such a level of trainspottery it's a sure sign that the music's disappeared up his arse...
When Underworld ends a track, and you stop dancing, and you see Rick go back to the computers to load up new loops, do you boo becuase the music has ceased to make you dance? Of course not.
I realize this is a bad example, but the fact remains that what Richie Hawtin is doing these days is evolutionary. It's not just cd's and records and a mixer. It's advanced, and it's live, and it's unique. You can dance to it, be amazed by it, or be bored by it. It's all up to you.
Rev - I think you're letting the last hour cloud your memory of the night. I will agree that he kinda fucked it all up. He kept the volume really low unnecessarily for long periods of time, looping lots of melody lines, then would suddenly bang out the bass LOUD for like an 8 count, then bring it back down. It wasn't top notch, and people were standing around for a little while, but from 3-7 every person on that dance floor was going mad.
Winston
10-10-2005, 06:12 AM
whatever he does i'm liking it, no vinyl, just final scratch and ableton, shit, he's got his own personal allen & heath mixer that daddy modified for him
troy pierce has also one since a few months now.
i mean, like jason said, he's evolutionary
and if you don't like it, go somewhere else :D
Eikman
10-10-2005, 06:19 AM
whoa he's using ableton! and final scratch! holy shit!
Winston
10-10-2005, 07:41 AM
like i said, if you don't like
Tyler
10-10-2005, 10:57 AM
When Underworld ends a track, and you stop dancing, and you see Rick go back to the computers to load up new loops, do you boo becuase the music has ceased to make you dance? Of course not.
Speak for yourself. (well not actually booing, but I am dissapointed when the sets aren't continuous)
I'm also pretty ambivalent towards hawtin's latest output, but I think that might mostly be due to his track selection than any technique issues. I do think that one thing that using ableton tends to do is make all sets have a kind of featureless 'grey' sound. Since every track is totally atomized down to it's smallest bits and then effected and built back up, it has a kind of 'sameyness' feel to it. I thought that Surgeon's ableton set that I saw had the same kind of problem to it. To use a crappy food metaphor, it's the difference between a fruit salad (the standard dj set), where the individual character of each element is still noticable, and a completely blended fruit smoothie, where there is more of a uniform flavor.
I also feel like there is a little bit of a 'danger' or 'struggle against technology' element in the standard dj set that is kind of missing from the digital dj techniques. It's still a very young technology, compared to the hoary old 1200's + dj mixer, though, so I can forsee some really neat things coming from it.
Tyler
10-10-2005, 11:00 AM
Also, how much is the dislike/like for ableton/etc split along the traditional dj's who've invested SO DAMN MUCH MONEY in vinyl(me and the rev)/new dj's who don't want to have to spend all that stupid money (smart chaps) to get the respect due them lines.
Actually, saying that us trad guys 'dislike' ableton is probably a little strong. I bet the both of us (rev and I, here) knew about and used (and still use) ableton way way way before a lot of people.
Jason Roth
10-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Also, how much is the dislike/like for ableton/etc split along the traditional dj's who've invested SO DAMN MUCH MONEY in vinyl(me and the rev)/new dj's who don't want to have to spend all that stupid money (smart chaps) to get the respect due them lines.
Actually, saying that us trad guys 'dislike' ableton is probably a little strong. I bet the both of us (rev and I, here) knew about and used (and still use) ableton way way way before a lot of people.
Tyler, please don't make the money argument. Once upon a time I owned a Nakamichi Dragon cassette tape player. Do you hear me crying about investing SO DAMN MUCH MONEY in a technology that is outdated? Not at all.
And that's the point. We may be at a point in time when vinyl, as tough as it is for you to hear, is becoming outdated. It's expensive, heavy to carry around, doesn't really loop, etc. Digital music, live programming, these things are the way of the future. You should be accepting them rather than putting them down. So you've used abelton live - am I supposed to be impressed because you used it way way way before a lot of people?
I go out to see Richie Hawtin play music because I want to have fun and dance, but also because I want to hear music taken in a new direction. It also happens to be one of the reasons that I travel far and wide to see Underworld play music.
If that's not a direction that you want to follow, then play vinyl, have fun and rock parties out that way. I still play mostly vinyl myself. But don't knock those dj's and musicians who are pushing the envelope, trying to take the sound to places it has never been before.
Tyler
10-10-2005, 11:57 AM
Tyler, please don't make the money argument. Once upon a time I owned a Nakamichi Dragon cassette tape player. Do you hear me crying about investing SO DAMN MUCH MONEY in a technology that is outdated? Not at all.
And that's the point. We may be at a point in time when vinyl, as tough as it is for you to hear, is becoming outdated. It's expensive, heavy to carry around, doesn't really loop, etc. Digital music, live programming, these things are the way of the future. You should be accepting them rather than putting them down. So you've used abelton live - am I supposed to be impressed because you used it way way way before a lot of people?
I go out to see Richie Hawtin play music because I want to have fun and dance, but also because I want to hear music taken in a new direction. It also happens to be one of the reasons that I travel far and wide to see Underworld play music.
If that's not a direction that you want to follow, then play vinyl, have fun and rock parties out that way. I still play mostly vinyl myself. But don't knock those dj's and musicians who are pushing the envelope, trying to take the sound to places it has never been before.
Oh I totally agree with you re:vinyl etc. I'm totally on board with the future of music production and live sets, and am definately using all that stuff in my recent sets. I've probably gone down to only about 25% vinyl in sets lately. I think my 'beef' (if you can call it that) comes down more to aesthetic paths that I think this stuff is leading people down that I don't particularly love 100%. I think they're doing a really good job of pushing new technology and trying new things, and it's really exciting to me, the only problem is that I don't think it really SOUNDS great yet. Somebody is going to do it in a really cool way that I like, real soon, though.
TheRev
10-10-2005, 05:40 PM
First:
I don't need to read an article on what Richie is doing when my hears here the same boring loop going for way too long. I don't care WHAT he did to construct it, it's still boring. Concepts are great and he can join John Cage and Milton Babbit for making music with a great concept but is generally unlistenable.
So that's reason A that I didn't like Hawtin. His minimal bleeps were boring.
Now as for the dancing part, there were a lot of people standing around throughout the night. Yeh people were moving a bit here and there, but compare the level of movement to any DJ that actually plays something with funk or drive. I don't need banging ass hard shit or booty grooves to dance. Matthew Dear or Michael Mayer both play neither and both had me dancing my ass off.
The fact is I pay money to go to a dance club to........DANCE. Not stroke my chin and go, my oh my isn't that clever? However I do like my dance music to mess with my head. That's why I make/spin/go out to hear techno on the regular. The best techno hits both you're body and twists you're mind. At least in my mind.
As for ripping on Ableton, look I could care less what you're using to create the sounds these days. I actually am jonesing to buy a laptop so I can start using ableton out instead of records and recently wrote an article in the newsletter I mentioned previously Ableton is future of techno.
Now I just heard Surgeon do an Ableton set and I'd say he fell off the mark mostly because he couldn't decide what he was playing and jumped styles waaay too much.
The man who brought it proper on Ableton was Function. Saw him play after Surgeon and he mopped the floor, he twisted my mind AND had me moving my body. That to me is the ideal dancefloor experience.
No i didn't expect Hawtin to do much better than what he did. I saw him pull the same garbage in Detroit and I liked it just as little then. To be frank I want to punch Hawtin in the face for being an arrogant twat. Towards the end of the night I saw him make this haughty little hands on his shoulders pose to his enclave in the back. That's great that he's "pushing the envelope" but I can tell he's doing it with an air of complete and total arrogance. And that's reason B that I can't stand him anymore.
But back to what's good. Ya'll need to check out Function doing the Live PA bizness.
jose m
10-11-2005, 02:26 AM
recently saw mike myer play,before him went hours of minimal tech-techno-electro and when he came on his first track was "sing it back" moloko............................................ .........it took the roof off !
Jason Roth
10-11-2005, 05:19 AM
Rev - Did you expect Richie to play Maximal? He plays minimal techno, and has done so for quite some time now. I'm sure you were aware of this before you bought your ticket, or paid your fee at the club.
As for dancing? I was 10 people back in the middle, right in the mix, dancing for most of the show. But I was also there with about 40 friends, who took up the entire section left of the DJ booth (looking at it) directly behind the speaker stacks. Yes, we were standing around chatting each other up sometimes, but that doesn't constitute a bad crowd.
And I'll agree that Richie's arrogant, but I don't really give a shit. Arrogance doesn't factor into my appreciation for music. I've come to the realization that most musicians that I've heard, or seen, or met, are a little full of themselves (Karl not included ;)).
I think Richie's back in town for a set at CIELO! on Oct. 30th, and I'll be getting my tickets as soon as they go on sale. I guess I won't see you there.
Winston
10-11-2005, 07:14 AM
i think we can have fun on i love techno jason
Jason Roth
10-11-2005, 07:27 AM
i think we can have fun on i love techno jason
No doubt about it.
You know what you're getting with Hawtin...he LOVES being Richie Hawtin
ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! hee hee hee hee hee hee
you speak the truth.
Last year, I had fun one the same boring loop during 2 hours, with a 20 minutes time to start dancing;) . I can't explain that.
TheRev
10-11-2005, 08:00 AM
Rev - Did you expect Richie to play Maximal? He plays minimal techno, and has done so for quite some time now. I'm sure you were aware of this before you bought your ticket, or paid your fee at the club.
I was hoping maybe Richie started playing some interesting minimal like so many of his contemparies, rather than the snoozerstep he was playing. Honestly, my hopes weren't high, and wouldn't have gone if I had to pay to get in.
And I'll agree that Richie's arrogant, but I don't really give a shit. Arrogance doesn't factor into my appreciation for music. I've come to the realization that most musicians that I've heard, or seen, or met, are a little full of themselves (Karl not included ;)).
It's true. I'm guilty as charged as well. Hawtin crosses the line for me. It doesn't help that his current music is overly intellectualized poo-poo.
I think Richie's back in town for a set at CIELO! on Oct. 30th, and I'll be getting my tickets as soon as they go on sale. I guess I won't see you there.
You'd have to pay me. Especially after seeing the flyer.
Back to his contemporaries doing it better..... If you are going to I Love Techno. Two things:
(1) Have fun watching Adam Beyer mop the floor with Richie.
(2) Hide me in your suitcase. :)
Winston
10-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Last year, I had fun one the same boring loop during 2 hours, with a 20 minutes time to start dancing;) . I can't explain that.
you want the tracklist?`
shit, i dunno what you guys want? a mills set, from back in the day, like he did in cherry moon? like 70 records in an hour?
Jason Roth
10-12-2005, 07:27 AM
He's back!
Richie Hawtin at Cielo, NYC, October 30th, see you all there, except The Rev, of course.
;)
Winston
10-12-2005, 08:23 AM
nyc is a bit far and it's in the us ;-)
amsterdam, ghent and london for me
@ jafs --> ;)
He's back!
Richie Hawtin at Cielo, NYC, October 30th, see you all there, except The Rev, of course.
;)
shit, now all the old richie clones from williamsburg are going to turn into gothbois
//\/\/
10-12-2005, 12:47 PM
When Underworld ends a track, and you stop dancing, and you see Rick go back to the computers to load up new loops, do you boo becuase the music has ceased to make you dance? Of course not.
you've never stood beside me at a recent uw gig, then, because i do, as a matter of fact. honestly - i hate it when they stop - they never used to...
//\/\/
10-12-2005, 12:56 PM
But I was also there with about 40 friends, who took up the entire section left of the DJ booth (looking at it) directly behind the speaker stacks. Yes, we were standing around chatting each other up sometimes, but that doesn't constitute a bad crowd.
40 people stood near the front standing around having a chat? music must've been worse than it sounds, in that case.
and in my experience that makes up a VERY bad crowd. good for a party. or a poetry group. but a dance club???
rtzig
10-12-2005, 01:29 PM
I saw him give a talk about the new DE9 record at the AES Convention (Audio Engineering Society) in NY on Friday. I didn't make it out to see him spin though. He said that his set that night was going to have nothing to do with the DE9 stuff and was going to be more like the stuff he was doing recently in Europe. He played a little bit of the 5.1 mix and I thought it was pretty amazing. The whole mix is 94 minutes long. I don't know how I'm going to feel about listening to a mix for that long outside of a club setting. A guy I know managed to snag a promo copy of it so I'll be hearing it very shortly. From what I've heard so far, it's a very interesting mix but I don't think it would translate well to a dancefloor. He said that he wants to start producing tracks in 5.1 and start a label that puts out only 5.1 stuff. I think that's what's going to be really interesting.
Jason Roth
10-12-2005, 02:01 PM
40 people stood near the front standing around having a chat? music must've been worse than it sounds, in that case.
and in my experience that makes up a VERY bad crowd. good for a party. or a poetry group. but a dance club???
Key word: sometimes
Key word: sometimes
no, he didn't say that.
every time i've gone to see richie hawtin i've had a lousy time, mostly because the crowd is terrible
Jason Roth
10-12-2005, 04:17 PM
mkb = He was quoting me out of context. I'm done with this thread. Obviously Richie inspires a type of love him or hate him effect. Personally, I love what he does. And I'll leave it at that.
Winston
10-12-2005, 09:31 PM
I saw him give a talk about the new DE9 record at the AES Convention (Audio Engineering Society) in NY on Friday. I didn't make it out to see him spin though. He said that his set that night was going to have nothing to do with the DE9 stuff and was going to be more like the stuff he was doing recently in Europe. He played a little bit of the 5.1 mix and I thought it was pretty amazing. The whole mix is 94 minutes long. I don't know how I'm going to feel about listening to a mix for that long outside of a club setting. A guy I know managed to snag a promo copy of it so I'll be hearing it very shortly. From what I've heard so far, it's a very interesting mix but I don't think it would translate well to a dancefloor. He said that he wants to start producing tracks in 5.1 and start a label that puts out only 5.1 stuff. I think that's what's going to be really interesting.
intresting, i have the track minimissions, sounds nice and dark
october 31!
Tyler
10-13-2005, 09:00 PM
I just got my hands on the new Joris Voorn mix he did for FUSE, and it's pretty obviously an Ableton mix, and it completely answers all of my criticisms of ableton sets. It's outstanding!
Winston
10-13-2005, 09:50 PM
I just got my hands on the new Joris Voorn mix he did for FUSE, and it's pretty obviously an Ableton mix, and it completely answers all of my criticisms of ableton sets. It's outstanding!
ya, fuse is my resident club :D
i was there at the release party, ableton indeed, as a midi controller he used th M-Audio oxygen8, just like guido schneider a few weeks ago
TheRev
10-14-2005, 03:15 PM
I just got my hands on the new Joris Voorn mix he did for FUSE, and it's pretty obviously an Ableton mix, and it completely answers all of my criticisms of ableton sets. It's outstanding!
Sharing is caring ;)
keep on eye on http://www.technoradionewyork.com/
The Function set I was talking about should be up there soon.
Ableton is the way!
Tyler
10-14-2005, 03:50 PM
ya, fuse is my resident club :D
Fuck off ;)
Winston
10-14-2005, 07:35 PM
hmm, tonight nathan fake (live) and triple r
From Wayne and Wax:
"the weekend began thursday night with a rare sweep through town by richie hawtin (http://www.richiehawtin.com/). i've been an ardent admirer of hawtin's techno wizardry since DE9:closer to the edit (http://www.discogs.com/release/13765), which remains one of my favorite long-players in any genre. back when i was living in the midwest, i'd truck it to chicago or minneapolis to catch his shows (and thank my blessings when he came to madison). there seem to be few techno DJs who approach a live set with the same degree of craft, and with attention to the most miniscule details, as dr.hawtin. employing final scratch (http://www.stantondj.com/v2/fs/whatisfs.asp), he nips and tucks at a vast array of loops and tracks and frequently reveals some beguiling rhythms lurking beneath the ever-present (and usually pounding) 4/4. what most struck me this time, though, were the timbres: some of the synths sounded like the sonic fabric itself being ripped and torn to bits. utterly engulfing, sensual sounds. like nothing i've ever heard. (and this is where techno still really excites, for me anyhow--in its constant search for new sounds.) minimal and psychedelic, hard and rich, hawtin gave us plenty to listen to and good reason to shake along. only problem: this being boston, the place was far from packed and the dancing, save for some stalwarts, was far from enthusiastic. that collective feeling of riding the waves never quite gripped me. but it was fun nonetheless. i wait with bated breath for DE9:transitions (http://www.mute.com/releases/viewRelease.jsp?id=2509760)."
Tiger
10-18-2005, 09:12 AM
saw ritchie last month with madga and despite the crowd creating a great atmosphere i wasn't overally impressed with his set. still had a good time due to the people in the club getting into it, but while he was technically excellent i was just left wanting more as while years ago he used to really bang it out, last month he was just playing far too much minimal stuff which just didn't go anywhere for my liking
Winston
10-18-2005, 02:00 PM
i go with you T, he used to bang more in the past, now it's like he does that only for LARGE crowds, I love techno, time warp, nature one
but if you prefer the nineties style, i think he doesn't want to play that kinda style anymore.
to bad, coz he used to rock sometimes, shit
check out his set from Orbit, in 1992
Tiger
10-19-2005, 12:57 AM
even early noughties he used to bang it out, i remember hearing him around Easter time in 2000, which was then broadcast as an e-mix, and still brings back many happy memories of an excellent night
edit: actually it was easter 01, and was broadcast 22/4/01; and i used to have such a good memory too ;)
sunflowereye
10-20-2005, 03:17 PM
I saw him give a talk about the new DE9 record at the AES Convention (Audio Engineering Society) in NY on Friday. I didn't make it out to see him spin though. He said that his set that night was going to have nothing to do with the DE9 stuff and was going to be more like the stuff he was doing recently in Europe. He played a little bit of the 5.1 mix and I thought it was pretty amazing. The whole mix is 94 minutes long. I don't know how I'm going to feel about listening to a mix for that long outside of a club setting. A guy I know managed to snag a promo copy of it so I'll be hearing it very shortly. From what I've heard so far, it's a very interesting mix but I don't think it would translate well to a dancefloor. He said that he wants to start producing tracks in 5.1 and start a label that puts out only 5.1 stuff. I think that's what's going to be really interesting.
Whoah. Sounds great. "DE9: Closer to the Edit" is my official airport listening album along with "Music for Airports" by the one and only Eno. Can't wait for this. 94 minutes?! Hell yeah.
I haven't heard Hawtin live since 2000 with Aquaviva in Atlanta. It has been waaaay too long for me. He loathes the SE US, as very few people appreciate techno of that nature here. :/ The Atlanta show, while an exceptional show, only had a few hundred people turn out and the promoters lost their ass. Best Hawtin experience for me was Trans-Atlantic party back in 1996 in the desert south of Las Vegas with Plastikman vs. Speedy J. live & dj sets by Richie, John Aquaviva, Laurent Garnier & Josh Wink. Drove 2 days straight from SC to attend that bad boy! God, that party was sick! Definitely brained my damage at that one.
TheRev
10-21-2005, 08:39 AM
From Wayne and Wax:
"there seem to be few techno DJs who approach a live set with the same degree of craft, and with attention to the most miniscule details, as dr.hawtin. employing final scratch (http://www.stantondj.com/v2/fs/whatisfs.asp), he nips and tucks at a vast array of loops and tracks and frequently reveals some beguiling rhythms lurking beneath the ever-present (and usually pounding) 4/4. ."
...usually pounding? I wonder what this guy would think of Chris Liebing. Not only does he use just as much technology as Richie, he bangs the hell out, and isn't an arrogant full of himself schmuck either.
Oh and Richie uses Serato scratch now if anyone was curious.
Eikman
10-21-2005, 09:46 AM
...usually pounding? I wonder what this guy would think of Chris Liebing. Not only does he use just as much technology as Richie, he bangs the hell out, and isn't an arrogant full of himself schmuck either.
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i know Liebing. it's impossible not to know Liebing when you're from frankfurt. he invented Schranz godammit! ;)
Chris Liebing needs Speedy J to not suck. Speedy J with a lot more tech than just Final Scratch :)
I wonder why Hawtin moved to Serato Scratch. Maybe his promotional contract expired.
Winston
10-21-2005, 11:52 AM
Oh and Richie uses Serato scratch now if anyone was curious.
only until the new traktor is out
well, here's the flyer the rev was complaining about.
the best part about surgeon's set earlier this month was watching his posse of well-dressed japanese women look at the flyer and say "oh, for fuck's sake"
TheRev
10-31-2005, 08:00 AM
As whack as the flyer was I have to say Richie completely redeemed himself of the mishap that was his set at Spirit.
All the funk that was missing in that set was there in full force for this one. Lots of quality innovative mixing and no continual overuse of volume / filter sweeps.
Richie's still got it.
theviirus
10-31-2005, 08:36 AM
apparently hawtin is the new batboy.
http://www.batboy.co.uk/
Listening to the album for the first time now, and it sounds pretty good. I saw im live late this summer though, and although he looks like a complete prick, he did a good set, and I had a great time. He didn't rock everybodys boat, and he wasn't doing the best set I have heard him do, but it was still great. He played alongside Magda and I think that was a good thing, so that he didn't fall into his little cave of intellibeats. He usually kept us waiting for some change just long enough before hitting the next button. It's not genious, but it's great fun now and then.
The surround mix rules. I love this. Bleep bloop.
plexi
11-15-2005, 12:12 PM
Richie Hawtin ‘DE9:TRANSITIONS’
(novamute, November 15)
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The next project from one of electronic music’s most prolific artists--RICHIE HAWTIN--is due out November 1 via novamute/Minus. Titled DE9: TRANSITIONS, it’s part of his DE9 series that started with Decks, EFX & 909 (1999) and was followed by DE9: Closer to the Edit (2001). With the use of new recording advances and automation techniques, Hawtin uses his new-found freedom to expose a new area of the mix--that of the "transition."
Realized in 5.1 surround sound and using the latest recording technology to create an immersive sonic experience, DE9: Transitions encompasses 95 minutes of altered perception. Hawtin has used Abelton Live and ProTools software to strip apart, and then reassemble, his component tracks to make completely new pieces of music, combining multiple elements simultaneously into a constantly shifting collage of sound. Technique aside, DE9: Transitions is a powerful and compelling trip. To fully maximize the apprehension of this concept, DE9: Transitions will be released as a CD/DVD complete package, including a 75 minute stereo mix (CD) featuring extended 96 minute stereo and 5.1 surround sound versions of the album, as well as high-resolution audio versions, two new videos, an 'About DE9' short film and live footage from Time Warp, the major electronic music event in Germany.
DE9: Transitions combines everything from original Hawtin productions to unreleased tracks straight from the studios of cutting-edge producers like Ricardo Villalobos, and adds flashes of classic techno moments which inspired him when he was a young clubber. But most of the tracks are fundamentally transformed from their original states. Some fade in and out over a period of minutes, while others are reduced to one single sampled note. The on-screen read-out on the DVD version of DE9: Transitions illustrates the smoothly shape-shifting outline of a remarkable complex project. In fact, the tracks are so close to becoming entirely new compositions that Hawtin has made the decision to give them his own names.
“It’s taking a chance, doing a mix CD and giving the tracks my own titles representing what these pieces have become,” Hawtin admits. “But I believe it’s gone far enough that I can do that. Some people might get pissed about it; we’ll see. The CD artwork plays with that; it’s a picture of my face which is totally made up of these track names, so it shows you that although this is made by me, I’m no greater or lesser than the information I’m using.”
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undarrenworld
11-18-2005, 10:01 AM
Technically...............GREAT
Musically..................GREAT
Need more to say?
Tom Cruise needs to hire Richie's PR firm.
Jason Roth
11-18-2005, 10:19 AM
The DVD portion of this thing is a fucking joke! It's the tracklisting, fading in and out as each piece reveals itself in the music. What a scam.
No! It's a futuristic minimal temporal tapestry! Richie is a genius!
rtzig
11-18-2005, 11:01 AM
The DVD portion of this thing is a fucking joke! It's the tracklisting, fading in and out as each piece reveals itself in the music. What a scam.
He never started this project with any visuals planned. He only put that there so that people who were interested could know when tracks were coming in and out of the mix. He was going to do and DVD-A or a SACD but wanted more people to be able to play the disc. Since he did a traditional DVD, he figured he might as well throw the tracklisting on there as a bonus. It's a DJ mix, not a video.
Jason Roth
11-18-2005, 11:02 AM
No! It's a futuristic minimal temporal tapestry! Richie is a genius!
Musically he does amazing things. The music on this cd? Nice, but nothing to start popping champagne over.
The video however was complete crap and you know it.
No, I actually haven't seen it. I'm just taking the piss :D
Jason Roth
11-18-2005, 12:11 PM
Watch it. Also, I've developed a different take on the whole Hawtin mystique after seeing him at ILT.
It was never claimed that there were any visuals on the DVD. The DVD was just supposed to be a surround mix. That's what you got. Calm down.
Jason Roth
11-18-2005, 12:30 PM
It was never claimed that there were any visuals on the DVD. The DVD was just supposed to be a surround mix. That's what you got. Calm down.
When you get a dvd, it's usually for audio and video purposes.
That's your misunderstanding...the packaging and press releases didn't misrepresent anything. I understand your dissappointment, but it's not like they ripped you off. I thought it was a great deal, getting the CD, the extended surround mix, and the high-quality MP3 mix, all for a few bucks more than a regular CD.
frail
11-18-2005, 12:43 PM
The clip from the german show is good, on the dvd. I don't have a 5.1 system, so the surround mix is lost on me a bit - anyone heard it in 5.1 and care to comment?
I was a little disappointed with no visuals too, but yeah, I wasn't expecting any.
The surround mix is the best thing about the whole thing. There are some cool little bits, like a stall that goes from one speaker around you, and stuff like that. And then there are just steady elements of the mix coming out the rear speakers, or build-up sounds that creepy up as the filter opens...It's cool.
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